My Un-Answered Question..

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Since this board has been up, we have found there are several questions that routinely get asked in order to help diagnose problems. If you can have that information to begin with in your post, we'll be able to help right away (if we can!) without having to wait for you to post the info we need.

1) Your water parameters - pH, Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrates and salinity (if appropriate). This is by far the most important information you can provide! Do not answer this with "Fine" "Perfect" "ok", that tells us nothing. We need hard numbers.

2) Tank size and a list of ALL inhabitants. Include algae eaters, plecos, everything. We need to know what you have and how big the tank is.

3) Feeding, water change schedule and a list of all products you are using or have added to the tank (examples: Cycle, Amquel, salt, etc)

4) What changes you've made in the tank in the last week or so. Sometimes its the little things that make all the difference.

5) How long the aquarium has been set up, and how did you cycle it? If you don't know what cycling is read this: Fishless Cycling Article and familiarize yourself with all the information. Yes. All of it.

We want to help, and providing this information will go a LONG way to getting a diagnosis and hopeful cure that much faster.

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One of the easiest and best ways to help your fish feel better is clean water! If you are already on a regular water change schedule (50% weekly is recommended) a good step to making your fish more comfortable while waiting for diagnosis/suggestions is to do a large water change immediately. Feel free to repeat daily or as often as you can, clean water is always a good thing! Use of Amquel or Prime as a dechlor may help with any ammonia or nitrite issues, and is highly recommended.

Note - if you do not normally do large water changes, doing a sudden, large water change could shock your fish by suddenly changing their established water chemistry. Clean water is still your first goal, so in this case, do several smaller (10%) water changes over the next day or two before starting any large ones.
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My Un-Answered Question..

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We recently just got into puffers about a month and a half ago. Thats about when we purchased a GSP from walmart and kept it in our planted tank. Over time he ended up clearing out almost all of our snails, and he was loving it. We had him for about 3 weeks, until we had to move him out because of a cichlid pregnacy, we had purchased a small tank from wal-mart and put him in it.

He seemed fine at first but over a week span he started developing small whiteish/red bumps on his body, almost pimple like, we tried like hell to save him but he got really skinny and weak and passed on. When we purchased him he was in a freshwater tank so thatsgs what he went into at home. When we asked for advice on a different forum we were told to add salt, and that was the reason he was dieing. Are some GSP's able to live in fully freshwater conditions? And can someone please tell me what the whiteish/red bumps were?
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Re: My Un-Answered Question..

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GSP puffers do better in brackish and as they get bigger can go to full marine. They also require 30 gallon of tank each as they get to be the size of nerf footballs. How big was the tank you move him to and was this tank cycled. It is important to have a cycled tank for your puffer as they are very sensitive to ammonia and nitrates. As far as the bumps go not quite sure on that one maybe someone else has some ideas.
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Start your GSP education by reading the article on them in our Library. Then please read the cycling articles & feeding articles. Great info on here in in our Library.
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The bumps could have been ich.

Sorry to hear about your GSP :(
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Re: My Un-Answered Question..

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Aye, it sounds like the GSP was moved into an uncycled tank (or only a partially cycled one), and its condition slowly degraded from there.

If he was doing fine in freshwater when you first got him and was still relatively small (less than 2 inches), I highly doubt it was the freshwater. Honestly, if someone told you to make the tank brackish (by adding marine salt) and DIDN'T tell you that this addition of salt (depending on the amount added) would likely disrupt the beneficial bacteria that keeps toxins at minimal amounts, then that person wasn't being very responsible.

While GSPs prefer brackish and marine conditions (and should be given these conditions), it's much more important to have a stable aquarium environment to ensure that they aren't poisoned by toxins (ammonia and nitrite) that are present in uncycled/unestablished aquariums.

I'm sorry to hear of your loss, as it's always sad to see these little guys go. :(

Like others have advised, read up on the Nitrogen cycle of an aquarium and what it means to have a "cycled" aquarium. If you're looking to get another GSP, you'll be considerably more prepared. If you're looking for a freshwater puffer, I would highly suggest AGAINST a GSP. There are plenty of freshwater puffer alternatives, but almost-all puffers require that they're in a tank by themselves, as they're quite aggressive and mean when they're healthy and hungry. ;)
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Thanks Everyone. I have read some of the articles in the Library, and after the little guy passed we did a massive amount of research and now have some more but this time in brackish water with all the right conditions. They're in a smaller tank right now but were doing some tank rearanging and they'll soon be in a bigger one. We did let the tank cycle, maybe not as long as we should have since it was a brand-new-out-of-the-box tank. Research is the key though.
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Re: My Un-Answered Question..

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There is no such thing as "letting" a tank cycle. What was your process for this?
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