Last week I noticed one of my F8s had a red swollen lower lip. I thought he had chipped a tooth so I have been treating him with Melafix. Today, I caught a glimpse of his lower jaw and it worried me. I finally caught the little rascal and examined him more closely. Both bottom dental plates are gone! It looks as if they have been pulled out. (Very similiar looking to that of a child's gums after loosing a couple of teeth — two little red-dotted holes). I don't know what to make of it. Could one of the other Puffs bitten them out? Could he have gotten his lower jaw stuck in something? Could he have gotten an infection that resulted in the plates falling out? (I've seen one of them get a bit of argonite caught between his teeth before). Does anyone have a suggestion as to a better treatment than Melafix? Poor little guy…
There are three F8s in this 30g long, heavily planted/decorated. There has been nothing added for three years. The only thing I've done differently lately is to soak their food in a couple of drops of Prazi-Pro (dewormer). Could this Puff's tooth loss be a result of a bad reaction to the meds? Or just a coincidence? (His two other F8 tankmates are doing fine. And a fourth F8 who resides in a separate tank is doing well also.)
Pami, I remember one of your guys chipped a tooth, correct? It didn't come completely out?
Bottom plates gone…
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Since this board has been up, we have found there are several questions that routinely get asked in order to help diagnose problems. If you can have that information to begin with in your post, we'll be able to help right away (if we can!) without having to wait for you to post the info we need.
1) Your water parameters - pH, Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrates and salinity (if appropriate). This is by far the most important information you can provide! Do not answer this with "Fine" "Perfect" "ok", that tells us nothing. We need hard numbers.
2) Tank size and a list of ALL inhabitants. Include algae eaters, plecos, everything. We need to know what you have and how big the tank is.
3) Feeding, water change schedule and a list of all products you are using or have added to the tank (examples: Cycle, Amquel, salt, etc)
4) What changes you've made in the tank in the last week or so. Sometimes its the little things that make all the difference.
5) How long the aquarium has been set up, and how did you cycle it? If you don't know what cycling is read this: Fishless Cycling Article and familiarize yourself with all the information. Yes. All of it.
We want to help, and providing this information will go a LONG way to getting a diagnosis and hopeful cure that much faster.
While you wait for assistance:
One of the easiest and best ways to help your fish feel better is clean water! If you are already on a regular water change schedule (50% weekly is recommended) a good step to making your fish more comfortable while waiting for diagnosis/suggestions is to do a large water change immediately. Feel free to repeat daily or as often as you can, clean water is always a good thing! Use of Amquel or Prime as a dechlor may help with any ammonia or nitrite issues, and is highly recommended.
Note - if you do not normally do large water changes, doing a sudden, large water change could shock your fish by suddenly changing their established water chemistry. Clean water is still your first goal, so in this case, do several smaller (10%) water changes over the next day or two before starting any large ones.
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Feathers&Fins
- Figure 8 Puffer
- Posts: 201
- Joined: Sat Jun 04, 2005 5:42 pm
- Gender: Female
- My Puffers: Pufferless since Nova passed; had 2 red T.miuris, 4 T.biocellatus for many years.
- Location (country): KY (USA)
- Location: (US) Kentucky
Uh oh. Doesn't sound good. I can't really offre any personal experiences, but what I would suggest is if the F8's mouth heals, he might not be able to crush the shells of snails anymore, so a diet of blackworms/bloodworms/etc will be his staple for the rest of his life, with regular dental trimmings to keep the top plates under control.
I feel sorry for the poor fella =/
I feel sorry for the poor fella =/
If you think of it, puffers do grow (like people). Is there a possibility of baby plates? then new ones grow in?
<80 gal> 2 GSPs & a Ceylon!
<75 gal> 3 Figure 8s & 1 Butterlfy Goby
<75 gal> *Empty*
<55 gal> 3 Gymnothorax polyuranodon (FW eel)
<30 long> Pair of Lorteti's & Irrubesco's, 1 DP, Endlers Livebearers, Clown Pleco, Royal Pleco, 2 Bumblebee Cats
<20 long> 4 Flounders
<4 gal> 2 Sparkling Gouramis & 3 ottos heavily planted
~Tihsho~
<75 gal> 3 Figure 8s & 1 Butterlfy Goby
<75 gal> *Empty*
<55 gal> 3 Gymnothorax polyuranodon (FW eel)
<30 long> Pair of Lorteti's & Irrubesco's, 1 DP, Endlers Livebearers, Clown Pleco, Royal Pleco, 2 Bumblebee Cats
<20 long> 4 Flounders
<4 gal> 2 Sparkling Gouramis & 3 ottos heavily planted
~Tihsho~
Yeah...Mags lost her upper right plate. Her mouth was red for a while, but it's ok now...she seemed a bit skittish for a few days, but didn't lose her appetite.
It was a bit of a mystery, but I decided not to get her out and examine closer, as she's not as bold as Robert and has more of a tendency to puff (she's puffed when Robert startled her in the log once).
I'd say the tooth has gone, and I'm waiting to see if it'll grow back.
I don't think it's a case of replacing baby teeth, as the development runs along completely different templates (as it were) in humans and puffers.
Damn...hope your guy'll be ok.
Pami.
It was a bit of a mystery, but I decided not to get her out and examine closer, as she's not as bold as Robert and has more of a tendency to puff (she's puffed when Robert startled her in the log once).
I'd say the tooth has gone, and I'm waiting to see if it'll grow back.
I don't think it's a case of replacing baby teeth, as the development runs along completely different templates (as it were) in humans and puffers.
Damn...hope your guy'll be ok.
Pami.
Ok, that puts out my idea....
<80 gal> 2 GSPs & a Ceylon!
<75 gal> 3 Figure 8s & 1 Butterlfy Goby
<75 gal> *Empty*
<55 gal> 3 Gymnothorax polyuranodon (FW eel)
<30 long> Pair of Lorteti's & Irrubesco's, 1 DP, Endlers Livebearers, Clown Pleco, Royal Pleco, 2 Bumblebee Cats
<20 long> 4 Flounders
<4 gal> 2 Sparkling Gouramis & 3 ottos heavily planted
~Tihsho~
<75 gal> 3 Figure 8s & 1 Butterlfy Goby
<75 gal> *Empty*
<55 gal> 3 Gymnothorax polyuranodon (FW eel)
<30 long> Pair of Lorteti's & Irrubesco's, 1 DP, Endlers Livebearers, Clown Pleco, Royal Pleco, 2 Bumblebee Cats
<20 long> 4 Flounders
<4 gal> 2 Sparkling Gouramis & 3 ottos heavily planted
~Tihsho~
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Feathers&Fins
- Figure 8 Puffer
- Posts: 201
- Joined: Sat Jun 04, 2005 5:42 pm
- Gender: Female
- My Puffers: Pufferless since Nova passed; had 2 red T.miuris, 4 T.biocellatus for many years.
- Location (country): KY (USA)
- Location: (US) Kentucky
You try Pima Fix to help fight against a bacterial infection?
<80 gal> 2 GSPs & a Ceylon!
<75 gal> 3 Figure 8s & 1 Butterlfy Goby
<75 gal> *Empty*
<55 gal> 3 Gymnothorax polyuranodon (FW eel)
<30 long> Pair of Lorteti's & Irrubesco's, 1 DP, Endlers Livebearers, Clown Pleco, Royal Pleco, 2 Bumblebee Cats
<20 long> 4 Flounders
<4 gal> 2 Sparkling Gouramis & 3 ottos heavily planted
~Tihsho~
<75 gal> 3 Figure 8s & 1 Butterlfy Goby
<75 gal> *Empty*
<55 gal> 3 Gymnothorax polyuranodon (FW eel)
<30 long> Pair of Lorteti's & Irrubesco's, 1 DP, Endlers Livebearers, Clown Pleco, Royal Pleco, 2 Bumblebee Cats
<20 long> 4 Flounders
<4 gal> 2 Sparkling Gouramis & 3 ottos heavily planted
~Tihsho~