Greetings All- After many weeks of waiting, I picked up my new Saddle Valentini. He is in a QT with a klein butterfly. I think the butterfly has come down wiht ich ALTHOUGH the balentini has not shown any signs. I have had a butterfly die in the past during hyposalinity treatment for ich. someone suggested that the butterfly's body (especially) liver cannot handle the hyposalinity. Anyway, I was told to treat the QT with prazipro and cupramine.
My question is, can teh valentini handle this cupramine treatment? I have heard some negative effects.... OR would it be best to move the valentini to another hospital tank, only treat with prazipro? and if no spots/scratching show up in two weeks then he is safe for the display?
Thanks!
Saddles Valentini and Prazipro and Cupramine
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One of the easiest and best ways to help your fish feel better is clean water! If you are already on a regular water change schedule (50% weekly is recommended) a good step to making your fish more comfortable while waiting for diagnosis/suggestions is to do a large water change immediately. Feel free to repeat daily or as often as you can, clean water is always a good thing! Use of Amquel or Prime as a dechlor may help with any ammonia or nitrite issues, and is highly recommended.
Note - if you do not normally do large water changes, doing a sudden, large water change could shock your fish by suddenly changing their established water chemistry. Clean water is still your first goal, so in this case, do several smaller (10%) water changes over the next day or two before starting any large ones.
Read this before posting!!
Since this board has been up, we have found there are several questions that routinely get asked in order to help diagnose problems. If you can have that information to begin with in your post, we'll be able to help right away (if we can!) without having to wait for you to post the info we need.
1) Your water parameters - pH, Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrates and salinity (if appropriate). This is by far the most important information you can provide! Do not answer this with "Fine" "Perfect" "ok", that tells us nothing. We need hard numbers.
2) Tank size and a list of ALL inhabitants. Include algae eaters, plecos, everything. We need to know what you have and how big the tank is.
3) Feeding, water change schedule and a list of all products you are using or have added to the tank (examples: Cycle, Amquel, salt, etc)
4) What changes you've made in the tank in the last week or so. Sometimes its the little things that make all the difference.
5) How long the aquarium has been set up, and how did you cycle it? If you don't know what cycling is read this: Fishless Cycling Article and familiarize yourself with all the information. Yes. All of it.
We want to help, and providing this information will go a LONG way to getting a diagnosis and hopeful cure that much faster.
While you wait for assistance:
One of the easiest and best ways to help your fish feel better is clean water! If you are already on a regular water change schedule (50% weekly is recommended) a good step to making your fish more comfortable while waiting for diagnosis/suggestions is to do a large water change immediately. Feel free to repeat daily or as often as you can, clean water is always a good thing! Use of Amquel or Prime as a dechlor may help with any ammonia or nitrite issues, and is highly recommended.
Note - if you do not normally do large water changes, doing a sudden, large water change could shock your fish by suddenly changing their established water chemistry. Clean water is still your first goal, so in this case, do several smaller (10%) water changes over the next day or two before starting any large ones.
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Re: Saddles Valentini and Prazipro and Cupramine
Cupramine could be alright at a low dose, but that probably wouldn't suffice for the butterfly. I'd setup a second hospital tank for him.
I'd wait like a month without any signs of ich before adding the puffer to the display tank.
I'd wait like a month without any signs of ich before adding the puffer to the display tank.
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MatthewLaw
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Re: Saddles Valentini and Prazipro and Cupramine
thank you for your help, crazedpuffer!
would you treat the puffer's separate tank with prazipro at all or dont treat UNTIL the puffer needs it?
also if ich DOES show up, would you suggest using hyposalinity for the puffer?
would you treat the puffer's separate tank with prazipro at all or dont treat UNTIL the puffer needs it?
also if ich DOES show up, would you suggest using hyposalinity for the puffer?
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crazedpuffer
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Re: Saddles Valentini and Prazipro and Cupramine
Your welcome!
I wouldn't treat until I noticed signs of ich, and if it appears treat with hypo.
Prazi can be used to treat IP though, so if you think your puffer might have IP you might as well use that and nip the ich in the butt too.
I wouldn't treat until I noticed signs of ich, and if it appears treat with hypo.
Prazi can be used to treat IP though, so if you think your puffer might have IP you might as well use that and nip the ich in the butt too.
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MatthewLaw
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Re: Saddles Valentini and Prazipro and Cupramine
as of last night, the puffer was eating well and i have no reason to believe he has ich/internal parasites.
i will monitor and soon move him to the clean separate QT tank.
i will monitor and soon move him to the clean separate QT tank.