We feel your pain.....Good they're playing nice. Most Loaches are scaleless, correct (not a loach person)? One would think that the meds would have about the same effect on loaches as puffers, possibly more so on puffers because of the lack of gill covers, don't know..just guessin'.side19 wrote:keeping an eye on them. he's playing nice so far (even took a nap next to them). i'm more worried about the meds affecting the loaches than the puffer right now. but so far all is well. just keeping my fingers crossed and keeping up with the water quality. sadly money is coming in slow. can't seem to get a job, and sadly gas is back on the rise.
just inheritated a F8
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Note - if you do not normally do large water changes, doing a sudden, large water change could shock your fish by suddenly changing their established water chemistry. Clean water is still your first goal, so in this case, do several smaller (10%) water changes over the next day or two before starting any large ones.
Read this before posting!!
Since this board has been up, we have found there are several questions that routinely get asked in order to help diagnose problems. If you can have that information to begin with in your post, we'll be able to help right away (if we can!) without having to wait for you to post the info we need.
1) Your water parameters - pH, Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrates and salinity (if appropriate). This is by far the most important information you can provide! Do not answer this with "Fine" "Perfect" "ok", that tells us nothing. We need hard numbers.
2) Tank size and a list of ALL inhabitants. Include algae eaters, plecos, everything. We need to know what you have and how big the tank is.
3) Feeding, water change schedule and a list of all products you are using or have added to the tank (examples: Cycle, Amquel, salt, etc)
4) What changes you've made in the tank in the last week or so. Sometimes its the little things that make all the difference.
5) How long the aquarium has been set up, and how did you cycle it? If you don't know what cycling is read this: Fishless Cycling Article and familiarize yourself with all the information. Yes. All of it.
We want to help, and providing this information will go a LONG way to getting a diagnosis and hopeful cure that much faster.
While you wait for assistance:
One of the easiest and best ways to help your fish feel better is clean water! If you are already on a regular water change schedule (50% weekly is recommended) a good step to making your fish more comfortable while waiting for diagnosis/suggestions is to do a large water change immediately. Feel free to repeat daily or as often as you can, clean water is always a good thing! Use of Amquel or Prime as a dechlor may help with any ammonia or nitrite issues, and is highly recommended.
Note - if you do not normally do large water changes, doing a sudden, large water change could shock your fish by suddenly changing their established water chemistry. Clean water is still your first goal, so in this case, do several smaller (10%) water changes over the next day or two before starting any large ones.
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Dadof4
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Re: just inheritated a F8
"Darwin swings...annnnnnd a miss. Boy Jim, Chuck's suffered at the plate tonight. He's 0 for 3 and I'm not sure he's recovered from that shoulder pull a few weeks ago. I'll bet the front office is re-thinking that contract."
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side19
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1 South American Puffer (Colomesus asellus), Cocha(aka. Dizzy) - Location (country): United States
- Location: Manchester, CT
Re: just inheritated a F8
yeah, loaches are scaleless fish. i actaully started out as a loach person myself. all is well so far. the only thing i noticed is that his anus looked bigger today than before. not red or anything, just big, like the size of a large pin head, but i haven't seen him poop since i got him. he's acting friendly and swimming right up to the glass to say hello when ever i go over if he's not taking a nap. did the water cahnge and the second dose of the parasite clear and so far so good. just hoping i'll see him passing parasites soon to know its working right.
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side19
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- My Puffers: 1 Figure Eight Puffer (Tetraodon biocellatus), Ra
1 South American Puffer (Colomesus asellus), Cocha(aka. Dizzy) - Location (country): United States
- Location: Manchester, CT
Re: just inheritated a F8
sad news. he was acting fine last night and i found him this morning dead. he has this odd white bulge on the side of his body right below his dorsal fin, and his left fin looks way worse than it ever has. his vent is huge and a weird brownish gray color. i just feel horrible becuase he looked like he was doing so well. my second attempt at f8's gone horribly awry. maybe i should just stick with fresh water puffers for a while.
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By_a_coo
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- Location: São Paulo, Brazil
Re: just inheritated a F8
I'm really sorry for your loss... I had to lose 3 F8s to learn the lesson, nowadays I have healthy F8. Don't give up, we're here to help.
Fernando
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side19
- Green Spotted Puffer
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- My Puffers: 1 Figure Eight Puffer (Tetraodon biocellatus), Ra
1 South American Puffer (Colomesus asellus), Cocha(aka. Dizzy) - Location (country): United States
- Location: Manchester, CT
Re: just inheritated a F8
thanks. i have my eye on a fang's puffer right now. a LFS near me got a large shipment of them a week or two ago. the one's that survived the initial shipment are actually doing really well. working on getting a tank for them (have my bio teacher asking the school if he can give me one or a few of the spare fish tanks they have lying around and haven't used in 5+ years or so) and hope to get it set up soon if i can get my hands on the equipment and such. i'll most likely try figure eights again eventually. possibly when i get an apartment (hopefully my junior year of college) and hope to get everything right that time. thanks for all the help everyone. i really appreciate it.
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LilGreenPuffer
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- Location: Kentucky
Re: just inheritated a F8
Oh, I'm sorry. That's awful. Don't give up, though.
"I will give you a talisman. Whenever you are in doubt, or when the self becomes too much with you, apply the following test. Recall the face of the poorest and the weakest man whom you may have seen, and ask yourself, if the step you contemplate is going to be of any use to him or her. Will she gain anything by it? Will it restore her to a control over her own life and destiny? In other words, will it lead to freedom for the hungry and spiritually starving millions? Then you will find your doubts and your self melt away."
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I AM A DUDETTE!
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bazil323
- Green Spotted Puffer
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- Location: Northern Wisconsin
Re: just inheritated a F8
Hope your next try goes better! Puffers, in general, can be hard to keep healthy. My first attempts killed 2 puffers while the third (actually one of the original 2 I got) is still healthy and happy 1 year later.
My advice for next time is to have a 20g already set up for him with as much decor and hiding spots as you can afford and have it already brackish. Drip acclimate him/her when you get home so that he can go into the brackish tank. For some reason most lfs's keep F8s and GSPs in freshwater rather than brackish, which really can set them up to be unhealthy or even die in the first few days you've got them. I always dose with IP meds (soak the food in it to make sure they actually get it inside where they need it) just as a precaution since puffers are so notorious for IPs.
My advice for next time is to have a 20g already set up for him with as much decor and hiding spots as you can afford and have it already brackish. Drip acclimate him/her when you get home so that he can go into the brackish tank. For some reason most lfs's keep F8s and GSPs in freshwater rather than brackish, which really can set them up to be unhealthy or even die in the first few days you've got them. I always dose with IP meds (soak the food in it to make sure they actually get it inside where they need it) just as a precaution since puffers are so notorious for IPs.