Ammonia:0
Nitrite:0
Nitrate:<20
pH:8.2
Temp: 78 F
Small (<2") GSP in 10 gallon freshwater tank with a small (1 inch) pleco until 30 gallon cycles. I've had him for about 3 weeks now. When I first got him his tail fin had sum nips but has healed well. He also developed a very small white spot on one of his fins during the first week that has since disappeared. He has always ate well and was very active until recently. He is fed dried krill, dried baby shrimp and ocasianally a few snails (once or twice a week). Over the past 2-3 days he has developed the "stress line" in the corners of his mouth, down to his tail and a few small matching spots on his belly. The spots tend to go away then reappear through out the day.
He seems to be napping alot more at the bottom of the tank. I've also noticed that on some days he tends to clamp one of his pectoral fins for a few minutes (the one that had the white spot during the 1st week) then goes back to using it with no problems. Finally I notice that he seems to favour one of his gills over the other(if that's possible). The one on his right side seems to do all of the work with the left one I have only seen expand to the same size when he feeds and spits out pieces of food.
I did a 20-30% water change yesterday and he still showed the same symptoms as before but tonight, while writing this post I turned on his light and woke him up and took some pictures. He was dark and curled up at the bottom of the tank as usual but as soon as he settled out of his "grogginess"(before I got the camera) the stress line as well as the grey spots dissappeared. I turned the light back off and a the line came back but not as dark as before????
Any ideas or advice will be greatly apreciated!
He's acting atypical
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Note - if you do not normally do large water changes, doing a sudden, large water change could shock your fish by suddenly changing their established water chemistry. Clean water is still your first goal, so in this case, do several smaller (10%) water changes over the next day or two before starting any large ones.
Read this before posting!!
Since this board has been up, we have found there are several questions that routinely get asked in order to help diagnose problems. If you can have that information to begin with in your post, we'll be able to help right away (if we can!) without having to wait for you to post the info we need.
1) Your water parameters - pH, Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrates and salinity (if appropriate). This is by far the most important information you can provide! Do not answer this with "Fine" "Perfect" "ok", that tells us nothing. We need hard numbers.
2) Tank size and a list of ALL inhabitants. Include algae eaters, plecos, everything. We need to know what you have and how big the tank is.
3) Feeding, water change schedule and a list of all products you are using or have added to the tank (examples: Cycle, Amquel, salt, etc)
4) What changes you've made in the tank in the last week or so. Sometimes its the little things that make all the difference.
5) How long the aquarium has been set up, and how did you cycle it? If you don't know what cycling is read this: Fishless Cycling Article and familiarize yourself with all the information. Yes. All of it.
We want to help, and providing this information will go a LONG way to getting a diagnosis and hopeful cure that much faster.
While you wait for assistance:
One of the easiest and best ways to help your fish feel better is clean water! If you are already on a regular water change schedule (50% weekly is recommended) a good step to making your fish more comfortable while waiting for diagnosis/suggestions is to do a large water change immediately. Feel free to repeat daily or as often as you can, clean water is always a good thing! Use of Amquel or Prime as a dechlor may help with any ammonia or nitrite issues, and is highly recommended.
Note - if you do not normally do large water changes, doing a sudden, large water change could shock your fish by suddenly changing their established water chemistry. Clean water is still your first goal, so in this case, do several smaller (10%) water changes over the next day or two before starting any large ones.
He's acting atypical
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Re: He's acting atypical
GSPs can change their colours quite dramatically, and often go dark or pale when they sleep. As for favouring gills, puffers also do this sometimes. Think of it as breathing out of your mouth and nose; you don't need to breathe out of both all the time, and most people tend to favour the nose. It's possible that he could be stressed simply from the bioload that he and the pleco are producing (plecos produce a LOT of waste, as do puffers). I'd be doing 25% water changes every 2 days and a gravel vacuum, just to keep things clean until you change tanks.
Is the 30 gallon freshwater also, or is it brackish? Ideally, he should be in brackish conditions (around a salinity of 1.008 SG). If it's almost finished cycling and is freshwater, I would transfer just your GSP when it's finished (not the pleco - might want to give it to a fish store or friend, as they can't survive brackish conditions), and then you can start to slowly raise the salinity by 0.001 - 0.002 SG per week until you get around 1.008 SG. This should reduce a lot of the stress that your GSP is likely feeling and improve his condition greatly.
If you need more information about Brackish tanks, feel free to ask. I've written many posts about it in the Brackish Puffer and Brackish Tank forums, if you wanted to read about it there.
Is the 30 gallon freshwater also, or is it brackish? Ideally, he should be in brackish conditions (around a salinity of 1.008 SG). If it's almost finished cycling and is freshwater, I would transfer just your GSP when it's finished (not the pleco - might want to give it to a fish store or friend, as they can't survive brackish conditions), and then you can start to slowly raise the salinity by 0.001 - 0.002 SG per week until you get around 1.008 SG. This should reduce a lot of the stress that your GSP is likely feeling and improve his condition greatly.
If you need more information about Brackish tanks, feel free to ask. I've written many posts about it in the Brackish Puffer and Brackish Tank forums, if you wanted to read about it there.
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Re: He's acting atypical
Hey,
I think I may have a serious problem. After one of my water changes/gravel vaccums I noticed that he had been pretty lazy the past day or two. I didn't feed him yesterday and his belly is still a bit full as if he just ate. As he sat at the bottom of the tank I noticed his feces came out white and almost milky. Is he constipated? If so how can I help him!?
Need advice fast....
I think I may have a serious problem. After one of my water changes/gravel vaccums I noticed that he had been pretty lazy the past day or two. I didn't feed him yesterday and his belly is still a bit full as if he just ate. As he sat at the bottom of the tank I noticed his feces came out white and almost milky. Is he constipated? If so how can I help him!?
Need advice fast....
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Re: He's acting atypical
Possibly internal parasites. Check the article in our Library on treating that.
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