Annabelle IP's (From Tapeworms to Camallanus worms)

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1) Your water parameters - pH, Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrates and salinity (if appropriate). This is by far the most important information you can provide! Do not answer this with "Fine" "Perfect" "ok", that tells us nothing. We need hard numbers.

2) Tank size and a list of ALL inhabitants. Include algae eaters, plecos, everything. We need to know what you have and how big the tank is.

3) Feeding, water change schedule and a list of all products you are using or have added to the tank (examples: Cycle, Amquel, salt, etc)

4) What changes you've made in the tank in the last week or so. Sometimes its the little things that make all the difference.

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One of the easiest and best ways to help your fish feel better is clean water! If you are already on a regular water change schedule (50% weekly is recommended) a good step to making your fish more comfortable while waiting for diagnosis/suggestions is to do a large water change immediately. Feel free to repeat daily or as often as you can, clean water is always a good thing! Use of Amquel or Prime as a dechlor may help with any ammonia or nitrite issues, and is highly recommended.

Note - if you do not normally do large water changes, doing a sudden, large water change could shock your fish by suddenly changing their established water chemistry. Clean water is still your first goal, so in this case, do several smaller (10%) water changes over the next day or two before starting any large ones.
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Re: Annabelle IP's and Ich with pictures

Post by Pandora114 »

Not a problem! I knew my course would come in handy somehow!

And all was not wasted during the Parasitology section of my Lab procedures unit.

Makes me feel all warm n fuzzy :D

Another mention: Proglottids are like little time capsules. They're meant to withstand bombardments of medications and poisons and all sorts of environmental stuff. hence why you have to do preventative doses every 3 months even when non symptomatic, especially puffers since they DO eat crustatians and mollusks. (Intermediary tapeworm host)

Proglottids are kindof like...flea cocoons. You can flea bomb the crap out of your house, move out for 10 years, then come back, and have the worst flea infestation you have ever had before leaving. Why? Conditions were right for the flea to emerge. Same with Proglottids. Just takes one snail that escapes the eye of the puffer and the owner going "Meh, he'll find it some day..no big" and you get yourself a new tapeworm infestation.
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Re: Annabelle IP's and Ich with pictures

Post by t1gerbee »

pandora, are you a vet then? Or a trainee doctor... or.... ?
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My parasitology class is coming back to me as well, lol
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t1gerbee wrote:pandora, are you a vet then? Or a trainee doctor... or.... ?

Learning to be a vet assistant.

My long term goal:

Get a job as an assistant, then upgrade my education to Technician level, then work as a technician and take Marine Biology and vetrinary courses at university until finished, or whatever..no huge rush.
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Re: Annabelle IP's and Ich with pictures

Post by edmlfc1 »

Ok guys need your opion. Another 3 inches came out. I put her in the net turned her over and was pushing on her anus area. This "HUGE" white glob/ring poped out then more worm came out with it. I douth that was the head but I don't know what the head would look like. She still has a lump on her tummy and her anus is still open. Once I let her out of the net she swam around for a little while and now she's resting again.

What the heck was that white blob? It was about this big: O and thick, coming out I could see that it made a circle but once it was out it was just a blob the size of the smiles. :scared: :yuck:

Seriously is this thing going to kill her? :crying:

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Re: Annabelle IP's and Ich with pictures

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Pufferpunk wrote:
Personally, since she's not looking thin I wouldn't force-feed her. She full of worms & probably has no room for food. Keep treating her, it's working. How's the ich?
I think you were right it's not ich. I guess I just paniced when I saw those spots on her. I'm not really sure what it was but it's gone now. If it was ich I don't think it would have gone away that fast. So far I've counted at least 12" of worm. I can't believe I didn't notice it before. I feel awful. :( I tried feeding her again tonight and she's still not eating. She totally ignores the food. Even when I put it right in front of her.
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Tapeworm head magnified

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Tapeworm head unmagnified
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Holy crap that thing is creepy!
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you don't wanna know what it's head was somewhat described as during parasitology in lab procedures.

You won't look at what's in your pants the same ever again....
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I remember having to memorize and be able to ID their eggs. Happily, I can't remember any of it
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Re: Annabelle IP's and Ich with pictures

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Sounds like a head but there might be more lthan 1 in there. Sounds like it... Poor thing! She's hanging in there though.
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I just checked on Annabelle, she's not swimming around this morning. I put her in the net and checked her anus. It's slightly open and there was less than an inch of worm coming out. Now she's back on the bottom and not moving. I'm doing a water change right now. I noticed that the same eye is starting to cloud up again. I'm afraid of a secondary infection. Should I treat her again with prazipro or should I start another melafix treatment?
I'm not sure she's going to make it. :( Still refusing food.
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I was about to task how she was getting on.
hope she pulls through.
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Post by fishlady1958 »

they say it's always darkest before the dawn...
come on annabelle....you can do it young lady.....your mom is working, worrying, and doing the best she can.....you can do this....come on little girl......
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edmlfc1- You are a proud and dedicated puffer owner. keep up the good work!! good luck annabelle!!
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