Something also wrong with Annabelle(update: Ich & IP)
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Since this board has been up, we have found there are several questions that routinely get asked in order to help diagnose problems. If you can have that information to begin with in your post, we'll be able to help right away (if we can!) without having to wait for you to post the info we need.
1) Your water parameters - pH, Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrates and salinity (if appropriate). This is by far the most important information you can provide! Do not answer this with "Fine" "Perfect" "ok", that tells us nothing. We need hard numbers.
2) Tank size and a list of ALL inhabitants. Include algae eaters, plecos, everything. We need to know what you have and how big the tank is.
3) Feeding, water change schedule and a list of all products you are using or have added to the tank (examples: Cycle, Amquel, salt, etc)
4) What changes you've made in the tank in the last week or so. Sometimes its the little things that make all the difference.
5) How long the aquarium has been set up, and how did you cycle it? If you don't know what cycling is read this: Fishless Cycling Article and familiarize yourself with all the information. Yes. All of it.
We want to help, and providing this information will go a LONG way to getting a diagnosis and hopeful cure that much faster.
While you wait for assistance:
One of the easiest and best ways to help your fish feel better is clean water! If you are already on a regular water change schedule (50% weekly is recommended) a good step to making your fish more comfortable while waiting for diagnosis/suggestions is to do a large water change immediately. Feel free to repeat daily or as often as you can, clean water is always a good thing! Use of Amquel or Prime as a dechlor may help with any ammonia or nitrite issues, and is highly recommended.
Note - if you do not normally do large water changes, doing a sudden, large water change could shock your fish by suddenly changing their established water chemistry. Clean water is still your first goal, so in this case, do several smaller (10%) water changes over the next day or two before starting any large ones.
Read this before posting!!
Since this board has been up, we have found there are several questions that routinely get asked in order to help diagnose problems. If you can have that information to begin with in your post, we'll be able to help right away (if we can!) without having to wait for you to post the info we need.
1) Your water parameters - pH, Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrates and salinity (if appropriate). This is by far the most important information you can provide! Do not answer this with "Fine" "Perfect" "ok", that tells us nothing. We need hard numbers.
2) Tank size and a list of ALL inhabitants. Include algae eaters, plecos, everything. We need to know what you have and how big the tank is.
3) Feeding, water change schedule and a list of all products you are using or have added to the tank (examples: Cycle, Amquel, salt, etc)
4) What changes you've made in the tank in the last week or so. Sometimes its the little things that make all the difference.
5) How long the aquarium has been set up, and how did you cycle it? If you don't know what cycling is read this: Fishless Cycling Article and familiarize yourself with all the information. Yes. All of it.
We want to help, and providing this information will go a LONG way to getting a diagnosis and hopeful cure that much faster.
While you wait for assistance:
One of the easiest and best ways to help your fish feel better is clean water! If you are already on a regular water change schedule (50% weekly is recommended) a good step to making your fish more comfortable while waiting for diagnosis/suggestions is to do a large water change immediately. Feel free to repeat daily or as often as you can, clean water is always a good thing! Use of Amquel or Prime as a dechlor may help with any ammonia or nitrite issues, and is highly recommended.
Note - if you do not normally do large water changes, doing a sudden, large water change could shock your fish by suddenly changing their established water chemistry. Clean water is still your first goal, so in this case, do several smaller (10%) water changes over the next day or two before starting any large ones.
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Re: Something also wrong with Annabelle
Belive me I already had a talk with her and she won't come out of her corner. She seen me taking the rock out of Elvis tank this morning and she said " Oh no Mama's on a Rampage!" Now she's in hiding. 
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Re: Something also wrong with Annabelle
Annabelle's eye is almost clear again!
She still has a little cloudiness in it but you really can't tell much from the picture. Here it is anyway:


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Re: Something also wrong with Annabelle
Brill. One less puff to worry about. 
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Re: Something also wrong with Annabelle
Her eye is not completely clear just yet. But I think she can see out of it again.
Today was day 3. I'll update tomorrow.
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Re: Something also wrong with Annabelle
Sounds like you're doing good work!!
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Re: Something also wrong with Annabelle
Annabelle's eye looks more cloudy tonight than it did this morning.
Still treating her tank with the meds. I'll update again tomorrow.
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Re: Something also wrong with Annabelle
Annabelle's eye looks a little better this morning. Here's a picture. It's still a little cloudy and I thought it would have cleared up by now. I'm still treating with meds. For some reason it don't really show in the picture.


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Re: Something also wrong with Annabelle
i'm also rooting for Annabelle as well......
you are truly an amazing puffer mom.....good work...
you are truly an amazing puffer mom.....good work...
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Re: Something also wrong with Annabelle
first shot i've seen of her swimming, not hiding! 
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Re: Something also wrong with Annabelle
She stayed in her corner last night and this morning. She's on a hunger strike right now.
I'm guessing it's the meds, and that's why she won't eat. I'll do her water change tomorrow and try to feed her again.
Her water tested: amm.0, nitite 0, nitrate 0, Ph ? (can't remember but I have it wrote down at home.)
Her water tested: amm.0, nitite 0, nitrate 0, Ph ? (can't remember but I have it wrote down at home.)
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Re: Something also wrong with Annabelle
Good news/Bad news.
Good news, Annabelle's eye has finally cleared. I did a 30% water change to get the meds out. I'll do another 30% in a couple of days.
Bad news, she's still on a hunger strike. I'm thinking it's because of the meds in her tank. She won't eat anything. Her tummy is not caved in so I'm not extremely worried yet. I'm hoping she will eat in a day or two. She's been staying in her corner and when I checked on her this morning she was breathing a
little heavy.
I checked her water last night ph 6.8 (i think), amm. 0, nitrite 0, nitrate 0. Right now she's resting on top of a log.
Good news, Annabelle's eye has finally cleared. I did a 30% water change to get the meds out. I'll do another 30% in a couple of days.
Bad news, she's still on a hunger strike. I'm thinking it's because of the meds in her tank. She won't eat anything. Her tummy is not caved in so I'm not extremely worried yet. I'm hoping she will eat in a day or two. She's been staying in her corner and when I checked on her this morning she was breathing a
little heavy.
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Re: Something also wrong with Annabelle
Here are some updated pictures of her:












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Re: Something also wrong with Annabelle
As I sit here trying to figure out how I'm going to get Annabelle to eat again, I see her crusing the tank. I was wondering why after all these days of not eating she did not look like her belly was going flat. I think she is hunting down the guppies!
I was also looking through the pictures I just took and that last one her tummy looks a little lumpy. By Golly I think I'm right!
The little $*&^% had me worried!
I'll be keeping a close eye on her anyway to make sure. She's sooooo sneaky! 
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Re: Something also wrong with Annabelle
i did wonder that. And to think i was going to suggest getting her some live river shrimp to get her appetite back.. 
Maybe those poor guppies need to find a new fishy home before it's too late.
Maybe those poor guppies need to find a new fishy home before it's too late.
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Re: Something also wrong with Annabelle
The guppies hitch-hiked with some ghost shrimp, grew up, ended up with a male and a female, then multiplied. I've actually had the original pair for about 8 months.
I put them in my planted tank and the angel's ate all the fry within minutes. That's when I moved them to the 29G. This was also Annabelle's qt. When I moved her they got moved also. I did buy feeder guppies once, while in qt they all died within 3 days. They had some kind of fuzzy fungus growing on them. At that time I was planning to set up a small seahorse tank and use the fry as feeders. It never happened.
I think Annabelle is having too much fun stalking them. And it would be a total pain to try to catch them in that 6ft. tank. There's plenty of places to hide so they better get smart or get eaten. 
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