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Since this board has been up, we have found there are several questions that routinely get asked in order to help diagnose problems. If you can have that information to begin with in your post, we'll be able to help right away (if we can!) without having to wait for you to post the info we need.

1) Your water parameters - pH, Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrates and salinity (if appropriate). This is by far the most important information you can provide! Do not answer this with "Fine" "Perfect" "ok", that tells us nothing. We need hard numbers.

2) Tank size and a list of ALL inhabitants. Include algae eaters, plecos, everything. We need to know what you have and how big the tank is.

3) Feeding, water change schedule and a list of all products you are using or have added to the tank (examples: Cycle, Amquel, salt, etc)

4) What changes you've made in the tank in the last week or so. Sometimes its the little things that make all the difference.

5) How long the aquarium has been set up, and how did you cycle it? If you don't know what cycling is read this: Fishless Cycling Article and familiarize yourself with all the information. Yes. All of it.

We want to help, and providing this information will go a LONG way to getting a diagnosis and hopeful cure that much faster.

While you wait for assistance:
One of the easiest and best ways to help your fish feel better is clean water! If you are already on a regular water change schedule (50% weekly is recommended) a good step to making your fish more comfortable while waiting for diagnosis/suggestions is to do a large water change immediately. Feel free to repeat daily or as often as you can, clean water is always a good thing! Use of Amquel or Prime as a dechlor may help with any ammonia or nitrite issues, and is highly recommended.

Note - if you do not normally do large water changes, doing a sudden, large water change could shock your fish by suddenly changing their established water chemistry. Clean water is still your first goal, so in this case, do several smaller (10%) water changes over the next day or two before starting any large ones.
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Re: Problems, need help from the pro's.

Post by edmlfc1 »

Update: 12/16/08
Chong's belly has been white now for 2 days. I've done two water changes and making water for another on Sunday. The nitrates have gone down to between 10-20. He showed a little intrest in food yesterday but still didn't eat. He bit at the food and then turned away. But at least he is showing some intrest and his belly is white. :D I'm hoping he will pull through! He's not nipping at the rocks like he did before so I'm guessing he still a little depressed. It just amazes me that they can go though sorrow like this. Elvis is still the pig he was, eating well and begging for food everyday. I'm going to feed them again tomorrow and I'll update if there is any change in Chong's eating habit.

One more thing he's started pacing the glass. There are lot's of nukes and cranny's for him to explore but he just goes back and forth pacing the glass. :( I dropped a few snails in there yesterday and he ignored them so I took them back out.

Hoping the white belly is a good sign that things are improving.

My husband said Elvis didn't have enough room to swim so I rearranged the rock in the tank to give him more room. Here's an updated pic of the tank. (I did a water change right after I rearranged to get any particles that were floating around.)

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Re: Problems, need help from the pro's.

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Chong is in the right bottom corner, you can see his belly already starting to turn white. :D
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Re: Problems, need help from the pro's.

Post by MatthewLaw »

if you think you have too much rock for elvis to move around, you can send some to me...haha!!

i am not sure if this is too obvious but have you tried offering Chong some of his favorite foods? or before this whole move did he like everything you gave him?

I would have guessed that Elvis might be dominating the tank but this one is bigger AND your GSPs and S&S were together in the other tank.

Regarding the nitrate situation, i would suggest giving the sand a good raking and doing a water change at that point. hopefully the excess nitrates that were stuck in the sand would be sucked up during the WC. or maybe there was some minor die off from the LR and this caused a quick mini-cycle?

are you feeding elvis more than usual?

My final suggestions is maybe a new GSP for Chong?
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Re: Problems, need help from the pro's.

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I'm not planning to get a replacement GSP. :( After moving around the rock and stirring the sand a bit I did a 50% water change. Cheech & Chong were both eating before the move. I feed them every 3 days. Any food that they don't eat I remove. When Cheech refused food after the move, Chong wouldn't eat either. Elvis is a big baby, he don't dominate. He will actually let Cheech & Chong eat his mussle and when they move then he will go in to get a bite. He has never showed any aggression towards either of them. They would even sleep in his cave either on top of him or next to him. :lol:
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Re: Problems, need help from the pro's.

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:mwave: :rimshot: Chong just ate a piece of shrimp! :rockon: :goober: :happydance:

I'm so proud of him! :D
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Re: Problems, need help from the pro's.

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great to hear that things are improving!
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Re: Problems, need help from the pro's.

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bless... :-)
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Re: Problems, need help from the pro's.

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Good to hear!
I still can't get over Elvis, he's so awesome!
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Re: Problems, need help from the pro's.

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The guys from the lfs said the same thing. They just can't get over how much he has grown. I got Elvis in Feb. 2008, he was about 4" from nose to tail. Now he's about 10" from nose to tail. I just love him to death! :D I think Annabelle has already grown almost 2" since I got her. She's growing really fast also. Now that she's in the 125 G I know she will really grow. I can't wait until her and Elvis are the same size. :D
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Re: Problems, need help from the pro's. Final Update!

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13 Days after moving Annabelle into the larger tank her mini cycle is offically over!
Elvis' tank is also doing really well, Nitrates slowly going down.
I've done daily 25% w/c on Annabelle's tank and 3 50% w/c on Elvis' tank. I have another one scheduled for tomorrow on both tanks. Just wanted to let everyone know the crisis has past.
Even Chong is over his hunger strike and eating well with a white tummy. It's been a stressful two weeks and I'm glad it's over. :D
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