T. Ocellatus Questions

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WalkingTarget
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T. Ocellatus Questions

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So, the shop where I work keeps brackish tanks.

We usually have puffers. (T. Nigroviridis, T. Biocellatus and C. Travancoricus).

Yes, you, me and every other self respecting puffer nut knows C. Travancoricus is not brackish - I finally managed to get the boss to put them in FW tanks.

My problems begin about two and a half months ago. My boss, for reasons unknown to me, decided to jump on a deal from DAP (fish company up here in Canada) As advertised in the fish list "XL Double Saddleback Puffers............. $19.99 (Very Nice!)"

So, later that week, the fish order arrived just about the same time I got to work. Being the 'Fish Guy' they had me unpack the orders (Mollies... meh, *more* Platties!!? WTH do we need with another Polypterus Senegalus??!!) In the middle of unpacking the order, I notice two very large fish with that distinctive grey, black and orange pattern. Thankfully, the boss was not around, nor was the assistant manager or any customers, i believe i stated my surprise in a rather obscene manner, something like "No <expletive deleted>ing way". I look at the sort list and pop them into one of the brackish tanks.

So, off to the front desk, onto the net and yep, it's T. Ocellatus alright.

Meanwhile, the slightly larger of the two gave a 'nuts to this' and had bulled it's way out of the transport bag..... I almost crapped bricks, but it was none the worse for wear.
So, fast-forward two weeks, and I've finally convinced the boss to let me spike some crickets with Prazi (despite the fact they're in with a freakin 8" Archer and two large monos!!!). So i feed the spiked crickets, get them both de-wormed and they start eating regularly again. Crap out a few worms too.

So... Fast-forward about two months, and here I am. They're both healthy as I can keep them, I get to give them bi-daily 20% water changes and they're gonna rot in a freaking overcrowded 20g tank until they either die or go home with some idiot who thinks they can fit in a 20g for the rest of their natural lives. Disgusting.

Even worse, the boss has admitted his mistake and thinks it's appropriate to 'give a discount' to me to take them home.


So, on to the questions.

1. Temperature: They're in a tank at roughly 25*C-26*C. My understanding is that while they are very tolerant of a wide range of temperatures, as sub-tropical near-marine fish, they prefer temperatures under 22*C. Some research has indicated that their ideal range is between 16*C and 21*C. The low range seems a bit cold to me, any chance someone can confirm on the rest.

Other research indicates that keeping them at tropical temperatures (24*C and up) is what causes the stress which eventually makes them stop eating, any truth to this?

2. Tank Size: I hate to say it... but how bad would it be to have ONE in a 33g (36"Lx12"Wx18"H)?
I know the listed minimum is a 55G and that for swimming room, that would be the ideal minimum; i'm not debating the listed minimum. But I need to know, if I do get asked to take one home, would it be able to live happily at around 4.5" in length in a 33g until I can find a larger tank, or is that just forcing it into a slightly larger slow death?

Finally.

Sub-tropical and near marine. That spells out to me a PH of around 8 and an SG of 1.012-1.018. Ideally using marine mix to achieve those parameters. Is that more or less correct? They're currently in a tank at around 1.006-1.008 (depending on which idiot did the water change last, it's not always me :( ) and they are sitting at a PH of around 7.6.


I hate the fact that my employer has ordered in an animal that they did not know how to care for. I hate that they are making me even consider keeping an animal in less-than-ideal conditions. But I refuse to stand by and allow it to suffer if I can do any more to help it...


Plus the little bugger tries to bite me when i'm cleaning its tank. It's rather endearing (and painful!)
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yunachin
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2x Takifugu Ocellatus
9x Tetraodon biocellatus
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Re: T. Ocellatus Questions

Post by yunachin »

Temperature through study I have found that 68 degrees F is the maximum temperature you should keep them in. 65-68 is ideal. The cause for them to stop eating could very well possibly be the higher tank temperatures...as well as being kept in freshwater to low end brackish. I plan to study more on this in the future.

As far as tank size goes I recommend nothing smaller than a 55 due to their erratic behavior. While being a lurker puffer they do have a tendency to be extremely erratic and can injure themselves by swimming with force and flailing into a tank wall. As much swimming space as possible is what you should aim for.

They do well in a Ph of 7.8-8ish and a salinity of 1.019-1.022 from my studies. The acclimation process is the hardest thing for them to tolerate..it can be done slowly but I would take a whole day and drip them over to minimize stress. As far as the biting...they are quick and will take a chunk out of you if you are not careful. :D

Any other questions feel free to ask. I really wish they would hurry up and publish this article so I can get it on the site here. It will be a valuable resource.
Oh...and if you need homes for the puffers....you can always send them to me. :)
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Re: T. Ocellatus Questions

Post by WalkingTarget »

Not what I was hoping to hear, but good none the less.

Yeah, this is going to be a frustrating few months for me, I'm basically going to have to stand by and watch as these guys die in the shop. There's no one in my local area who can really take care of them (or bother to research them a bit). If anybody is in Southern Ontario and interested in these guys, please shoot me a PM. I just want these fish to have a good home.

I suppose though, that %$&^# happens and that unfortunately, sometimes it happens to innocent animals.
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yunachin
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Gender: Female
My Puffers: 1x A. Meleagris (Golden)
2x Tetraodon nigroviridis
1x Tetraodon lineatus
1x A. hispidus
2x Takifugu Ocellatus
9x Tetraodon biocellatus
1x Canthigaster solandri
1x Diodon Holocanthus
2x A. nigropunctatus
1x Tetraodon miurus
1x Irrubesco
Location (country): USA
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Re: T. Ocellatus Questions

Post by yunachin »

If you can ship them I will take them.
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Re: T. Ocellatus Questions

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Shipping is the problem, It's winter up here, and there's no good transshipper to expedite them through customs.
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yunachin
Former Staff Member
Posts: 1753
Joined: Fri Nov 09, 2007 1:33 pm
Gender: Female
My Puffers: 1x A. Meleagris (Golden)
2x Tetraodon nigroviridis
1x Tetraodon lineatus
1x A. hispidus
2x Takifugu Ocellatus
9x Tetraodon biocellatus
1x Canthigaster solandri
1x Diodon Holocanthus
2x A. nigropunctatus
1x Tetraodon miurus
1x Irrubesco
Location (country): USA
Location: SC

Re: T. Ocellatus Questions

Post by yunachin »

That really sucks. Well perhaps someone may be interested in them and you can show them the proper way to take care of them as well as directing them to the site.
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