I just purchased 2 GSP both about 3 inches in length.
The largest one i have noticed on 2 occasions that he will curl himself to his right and pull his tail to his side and not move his right fin for a minuet or two. He will float around a little but no real swimming and he breaths rapidly...Can he be having a seizure? He doesn't seem to move his right fin too often when he is swimming normally too.
Does any one have advise?
Thanks
GSP seizures?
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Note - if you do not normally do large water changes, doing a sudden, large water change could shock your fish by suddenly changing their established water chemistry. Clean water is still your first goal, so in this case, do several smaller (10%) water changes over the next day or two before starting any large ones.
Read this before posting!!
Since this board has been up, we have found there are several questions that routinely get asked in order to help diagnose problems. If you can have that information to begin with in your post, we'll be able to help right away (if we can!) without having to wait for you to post the info we need.
1) Your water parameters - pH, Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrates and salinity (if appropriate). This is by far the most important information you can provide! Do not answer this with "Fine" "Perfect" "ok", that tells us nothing. We need hard numbers.
2) Tank size and a list of ALL inhabitants. Include algae eaters, plecos, everything. We need to know what you have and how big the tank is.
3) Feeding, water change schedule and a list of all products you are using or have added to the tank (examples: Cycle, Amquel, salt, etc)
4) What changes you've made in the tank in the last week or so. Sometimes its the little things that make all the difference.
5) How long the aquarium has been set up, and how did you cycle it? If you don't know what cycling is read this: Fishless Cycling Article and familiarize yourself with all the information. Yes. All of it.
We want to help, and providing this information will go a LONG way to getting a diagnosis and hopeful cure that much faster.
While you wait for assistance:
One of the easiest and best ways to help your fish feel better is clean water! If you are already on a regular water change schedule (50% weekly is recommended) a good step to making your fish more comfortable while waiting for diagnosis/suggestions is to do a large water change immediately. Feel free to repeat daily or as often as you can, clean water is always a good thing! Use of Amquel or Prime as a dechlor may help with any ammonia or nitrite issues, and is highly recommended.
Note - if you do not normally do large water changes, doing a sudden, large water change could shock your fish by suddenly changing their established water chemistry. Clean water is still your first goal, so in this case, do several smaller (10%) water changes over the next day or two before starting any large ones.
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Re: GSP seizures?
ok, 2 GSP's three inches each.. need a 60 US gallon tank...
are they in one?
Is it fully cycled?
Is it brackish?
Your fish is probably not having a seizure, he may be struggling with toxity in the water ... breathing heavy is a possible sign of ammonia poisoning..
as is a black belly.. does it have one?
Puffers do sometimes curl themselves up and cruise round the tank, kind of on autopilot, having a little rest whilst mid flow..
but you need to rule out other things before relaxing about this...
are they in one?
Is it fully cycled?
Is it brackish?
Your fish is probably not having a seizure, he may be struggling with toxity in the water ... breathing heavy is a possible sign of ammonia poisoning..
as is a black belly.. does it have one?
Puffers do sometimes curl themselves up and cruise round the tank, kind of on autopilot, having a little rest whilst mid flow..
but you need to rule out other things before relaxing about this...
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Re: GSP seizures?
Well they are in a 10 Gal for now (just got them 1 week ago) didn't prep tank (pet store said i didn't have too...) I am in the process of moving and will have a 50 gal tank ready ASAP. I just started making the water brackish slowly on a daily basis and am feeding them snails and shrimp daily. These are my first puffers. I have a few Betas and 4 Koi. The tanks doesn't smell like there is anything wrong and the water isn't hazy or cloudy. Both of their bellies are white and since I have been adding salt the little one got darker brownish and will turn green when he eats.
I know these guys need a bigger tank and will get one soon, is there anything else I should know?
I know these guys need a bigger tank and will get one soon, is there anything else I should know?
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Re: GSP seizures?
if you want these fish to live beyond the next week you need to do a 50% water change daily...
they will both be suffering from ammonia poisoning in a small uncycled tank...
50% water change daily or they will not survive, i guarentee it.
How did you add the salt? Never add it directly to the tank, premix it with fresh, conditioned water and then slowly add it to the tank.
Are you using marine salt? Aquarium salt is not ok to use.
You need to buy a bigger tank, a hydrometer, marine salt, and liquid test kits.
they will both be suffering from ammonia poisoning in a small uncycled tank...
50% water change daily or they will not survive, i guarentee it.
How did you add the salt? Never add it directly to the tank, premix it with fresh, conditioned water and then slowly add it to the tank.
Are you using marine salt? Aquarium salt is not ok to use.
You need to buy a bigger tank, a hydrometer, marine salt, and liquid test kits.
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Re: GSP seizures?
I am using marine salt, and have a hydrometer. The tank has a 10gal whisper filter and I am keeping an eye on the filter, i added extra charcoal when i changed it yesterday.
I dilute the salt into water and then add it.
I dilute the salt into water and then add it.
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Re: GSP seizures?
I'd up that to 80% daily WC.
You are getting sleepy... you only hear the sound of my voice... you must do water changes... water changes... water changes... water changes...
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Re: GSP seizures?
Seriously....that many water changes? what about the natural bacteria living in the tank? That much volume of water changed that frequently cant be healthy for the fish
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Re: GSP seizures?
Your good bacteria lives on surfaces, not in the water column. I do 90% weekly on many of my tanks--discus breeders do 100% daily on theirs.
You are getting sleepy... you only hear the sound of my voice... you must do water changes... water changes... water changes... water changes...
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Re: GSP seizures?
what about filtering with a lot of carbon? does that help at all?
how do you do water changes, and keep it brackish?
how do you do water changes, and keep it brackish?
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Re: GSP seizures?
Add back the same amount of salt you removve. Takes a little math skill. I found out that when I do a 50% WC on my 29g BW tank it takes 1 3/4 cups of salt to keep it at 1.005.
What's carbon supposed to do?
What's carbon supposed to do?
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Re: GSP seizures?
Carbon is like natures filter all...
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Re: GSP seizures?
Carbon doesn't remove any ammonia or nitrites, which is a good thing because if it did it would mess with a tank cycle, but it doesn't make the water any safer during a cycling, either.
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Re: GSP seizures?
There is NO natural (good) bacteria in an uncycled tank... that's the point of cycling it before you put the fish in...
80% daily water change is the only way to reduce the ammonia and subsequent nitrites sufficiently to keep your fish alive whilst the tank develops the bacteria to fight the ammonia/nitrite itself...
read up on the fishless cycling and why it's essential... just type it into google.
How are your puffers?
80% daily water change is the only way to reduce the ammonia and subsequent nitrites sufficiently to keep your fish alive whilst the tank develops the bacteria to fight the ammonia/nitrite itself...
read up on the fishless cycling and why it's essential... just type it into google.
How are your puffers?
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Re: GSP seizures?
They are doing good, the ammonia levels are good and they seem happy. I just set up a breeder tank for the snails and drop some in with the puffers daily. The puffers leave no survivors.
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Re: GSP seizures?
There are no ammonia levels that are good. Do you mean it's 0? What about your nitrite?
You are getting sleepy... you only hear the sound of my voice... you must do water changes... water changes... water changes... water changes...
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