Just my luck, seems the new puffer I got had ich. I read that ich should look flat or flush against the surface of the skin, but this doesn't exactly match that description. Can someone confirm whether this is ich on a dp or not?
Thanks,
--Hans
Help me verify if this is ich
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Note - if you do not normally do large water changes, doing a sudden, large water change could shock your fish by suddenly changing their established water chemistry. Clean water is still your first goal, so in this case, do several smaller (10%) water changes over the next day or two before starting any large ones.
Read this before posting!!
Since this board has been up, we have found there are several questions that routinely get asked in order to help diagnose problems. If you can have that information to begin with in your post, we'll be able to help right away (if we can!) without having to wait for you to post the info we need.
1) Your water parameters - pH, Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrates and salinity (if appropriate). This is by far the most important information you can provide! Do not answer this with "Fine" "Perfect" "ok", that tells us nothing. We need hard numbers.
2) Tank size and a list of ALL inhabitants. Include algae eaters, plecos, everything. We need to know what you have and how big the tank is.
3) Feeding, water change schedule and a list of all products you are using or have added to the tank (examples: Cycle, Amquel, salt, etc)
4) What changes you've made in the tank in the last week or so. Sometimes its the little things that make all the difference.
5) How long the aquarium has been set up, and how did you cycle it? If you don't know what cycling is read this: Fishless Cycling Article and familiarize yourself with all the information. Yes. All of it.
We want to help, and providing this information will go a LONG way to getting a diagnosis and hopeful cure that much faster.
While you wait for assistance:
One of the easiest and best ways to help your fish feel better is clean water! If you are already on a regular water change schedule (50% weekly is recommended) a good step to making your fish more comfortable while waiting for diagnosis/suggestions is to do a large water change immediately. Feel free to repeat daily or as often as you can, clean water is always a good thing! Use of Amquel or Prime as a dechlor may help with any ammonia or nitrite issues, and is highly recommended.
Note - if you do not normally do large water changes, doing a sudden, large water change could shock your fish by suddenly changing their established water chemistry. Clean water is still your first goal, so in this case, do several smaller (10%) water changes over the next day or two before starting any large ones.
Help me verify if this is ich
Hi all,
Just my luck, seems the new puffer I got had ich. I read that ich should look flat or flush against the surface of the skin, but this doesn't exactly match that description. Can someone confirm whether this is ich on a dp or not?
Thanks,
--Hans
Just my luck, seems the new puffer I got had ich. I read that ich should look flat or flush against the surface of the skin, but this doesn't exactly match that description. Can someone confirm whether this is ich on a dp or not?
Thanks,
--Hans
Re: Help me verify if this is ich
I've also heard different reports on how to mix salt into an aquarium. One way said to mix it directly into the aquarium and stir it around, and another instructed to premix the salt in some tank water before slowly introducing it to the aquarium. The first says to directly pour the salt in because if you premix it, you lose the beneficial properties of salt because of chemical changes. Sounds strange to me...
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Re: Help me verify if this is ich
Is that a SAP? They are very likely to get ich or even worse--velvet whenever they are stressed by a move. Read the article on treating ich in our Library. Yours looks like a very severe case. Be sure to add Melafix during the treatment, to help with the damage dome by the parasite.
You are getting sleepy... you only hear the sound of my voice... you must do water changes... water changes... water changes... water changes...
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Re: Help me verify if this is ich
No, that's just a dwarf puffer. I've started raising the temps and will begin adding salt tomorrow morning slowly.
Re: Help me verify if this is ich
Here's my plan of attacking ich, and any suggestions or feedback is greatly appreciated:
8 US gallon tank
2 cories, 2 otos, 2 amano shrimp, 1 tiger shrimp, and a boatload of MTS, moderately to heavily planted, low tech, no CO2 injection, using root tabs for ferts
- Raise temperature slowly to 86F and crank up the filter flow and surface movement for O2 transfer
- Add a total of 1 tablespoon of salt over 24 hours or so (adding the salt into the hang on back filter so it gets mixed before outputted into the aquarium)
- Keep that ratio of salinity for 10 days, while watching for signs of stress in fish
- lower temps and do a 40% water change to finish up treatment
Sound good?
8 US gallon tank
2 cories, 2 otos, 2 amano shrimp, 1 tiger shrimp, and a boatload of MTS, moderately to heavily planted, low tech, no CO2 injection, using root tabs for ferts
- Raise temperature slowly to 86F and crank up the filter flow and surface movement for O2 transfer
- Add a total of 1 tablespoon of salt over 24 hours or so (adding the salt into the hang on back filter so it gets mixed before outputted into the aquarium)
- Keep that ratio of salinity for 10 days, while watching for signs of stress in fish
- lower temps and do a 40% water change to finish up treatment
Sound good?
Re: Help me verify if this is ich
I guess the thing that worries me is that the white dots don't seem flush with the skin. They seem raised. Anyone have a second opinion?
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Re: Help me verify if this is ich
Ich is NEVER flush with the skin, it's raised, like salt sticking to food.
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Re: Help me verify if this is ich
huh. I definitely thought I read in an info post somewhere that ich is raised, but I believe you. Thanks for the advice! Temp at 86F and currently adding a large pinch of salt every once in a while.
Edit: Huh, I just noticed that you seem to be the same person from dwarfpuffers.com
Edit: Huh, I just noticed that you seem to be the same person from dwarfpuffers.com
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Re: Help me verify if this is ich
Yes, the cyst is raised. I would hasten to treat this infestatin ASAP and in addition, huge (80-90%) water changes daily, while cleaning the substrate. I'd also treat for & days after the cysts are gone. You can add the salt all at once. & replace after every water change. Don't forget the Melafix.
You are getting sleepy... you only hear the sound of my voice... you must do water changes... water changes... water changes... water changes...
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Re: Help me verify if this is ich
Alright, all the salt is in to the ratio of 1 tablespoon:5 US gallons. I did a water change yesterday already, I'll do one when it's been 24 hours. I'm not convinced of the melafix, however. I'll refer to this link:
http://www.reefland.com/forum/marine-fi ... -work.html
I've tried using melafix on an ailing betta before and all it does is stink up the water and it seems to mess with other natural balances in the tank...discuss though, I'm just a bit doubtful on it's usefulness.
http://www.reefland.com/forum/marine-fi ... -work.html
I've tried using melafix on an ailing betta before and all it does is stink up the water and it seems to mess with other natural balances in the tank...discuss though, I'm just a bit doubtful on it's usefulness.
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Re: Help me verify if this is ich
I've been in the hobby for 30 years & swear by the stuff for FW fish.
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Re: Help me verify if this is ich
agree with PP, melafix has done wonders on several sick FW fish i've had to deal with. 
1 x 90G Juv stars and stripes puffer, Ceylon Puffer + GSP + 2 black clowns
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Re: Help me verify if this is ich
Ok, I'll put it in as prescribed by the bottle... 1mL:2 US Gallons
Now we play the waiting game....
Now we play the waiting game....
Re: Help me verify if this is ich
Actually, the bottle says to dose it every day. Do you guys do that when treating for ich? Or just replace it as the water changes take it out?
also, I seem to be having trouble feeding him. He's not taking frozen bloodworms, live pond snails, or the abundance of MTS in the tank (though now that the puffer is in there, i don't see the MTS during the day much anymore. How do they know they're now being hunted?!). I see him once in a while attacking something on a plant, but don't really know if he's eating or not. He doesn't seem thin or have a sunken stomach like those with IP do. He's only been in the take for 2 days now, maybe he's still getting used to the tank?
also, I seem to be having trouble feeding him. He's not taking frozen bloodworms, live pond snails, or the abundance of MTS in the tank (though now that the puffer is in there, i don't see the MTS during the day much anymore. How do they know they're now being hunted?!). I see him once in a while attacking something on a plant, but don't really know if he's eating or not. He doesn't seem thin or have a sunken stomach like those with IP do. He's only been in the take for 2 days now, maybe he's still getting used to the tank?
Re: Help me verify if this is ich
Ich spots are gone, and continuing treatment for 3 more days. Trying to get rid of the melafix though, with water changes and carbon. that stuff makes the water smell terrible.