1) ph ~= 7.5, Amm = 0, Nitrites = 0, Nitrates = 0-10
2) 30g long tank w/ 2 DPs and a couple baby guppies
3) Frozen bloodworms once/day with an occasional day off and weekly water changes. added some salt and did a dose of Prazi yesterday
4) no changes
5) setup about 2 years ago
My dwarf puffer, Lorenzo, has been sick the past 5-6 days. He started appearing thinner than usual before feedings, and then stopped taking as much interest in his bloodworms. For the past two days he hasn't eaten at all. He appears to have some very small strings coming out of his anus. Yesterday I dosed his tank with "Parasite Clear - tank buddies" tablets - 3 tabs, one for each 10 gallons. The ingredients are: praziquentel, diflubenzuron, metronidazole, acriflavine. I left the tank medicated for almost 24 hours and then did a 50-60% water change with Prime. Levels were all 0. I also tried soaking some bloodworms in medicated water, both with and without garlic powder. He seemed like he wanted to eat but could not bring himself to do it.
I am having a hard time with this because I've had him for a couple years already. I really hate to see him suffer. The past couple days I've been surprised to find him alive still in the morning - he's still got the will to live but I don't know what else I can do to help him.
He's so skinny now I think if he doesn't eat soon he will die from starvation, if not from the worms. What else can I do? I need to go by the pet store and see what other meds they have. Should I try any other specific meds? Is there anything else I can try to get him to eat?
Thanks for your help!
Dan
Dwarf w/ IPs - what else can I do?
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One of the easiest and best ways to help your fish feel better is clean water! If you are already on a regular water change schedule (50% weekly is recommended) a good step to making your fish more comfortable while waiting for diagnosis/suggestions is to do a large water change immediately. Feel free to repeat daily or as often as you can, clean water is always a good thing! Use of Amquel or Prime as a dechlor may help with any ammonia or nitrite issues, and is highly recommended.
Note - if you do not normally do large water changes, doing a sudden, large water change could shock your fish by suddenly changing their established water chemistry. Clean water is still your first goal, so in this case, do several smaller (10%) water changes over the next day or two before starting any large ones.
Read this before posting!!
Since this board has been up, we have found there are several questions that routinely get asked in order to help diagnose problems. If you can have that information to begin with in your post, we'll be able to help right away (if we can!) without having to wait for you to post the info we need.
1) Your water parameters - pH, Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrates and salinity (if appropriate). This is by far the most important information you can provide! Do not answer this with "Fine" "Perfect" "ok", that tells us nothing. We need hard numbers.
2) Tank size and a list of ALL inhabitants. Include algae eaters, plecos, everything. We need to know what you have and how big the tank is.
3) Feeding, water change schedule and a list of all products you are using or have added to the tank (examples: Cycle, Amquel, salt, etc)
4) What changes you've made in the tank in the last week or so. Sometimes its the little things that make all the difference.
5) How long the aquarium has been set up, and how did you cycle it? If you don't know what cycling is read this: Fishless Cycling Article and familiarize yourself with all the information. Yes. All of it.
We want to help, and providing this information will go a LONG way to getting a diagnosis and hopeful cure that much faster.
While you wait for assistance:
One of the easiest and best ways to help your fish feel better is clean water! If you are already on a regular water change schedule (50% weekly is recommended) a good step to making your fish more comfortable while waiting for diagnosis/suggestions is to do a large water change immediately. Feel free to repeat daily or as often as you can, clean water is always a good thing! Use of Amquel or Prime as a dechlor may help with any ammonia or nitrite issues, and is highly recommended.
Note - if you do not normally do large water changes, doing a sudden, large water change could shock your fish by suddenly changing their established water chemistry. Clean water is still your first goal, so in this case, do several smaller (10%) water changes over the next day or two before starting any large ones.
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Re: Dwarf w/ IPs - what else can I do?
See if you can get some levimisole or flubenziadole powder, it may be effective against different worms. Alternatively, after two years, your DP might just be getting old. They can breed at only about half a year old, so natural selection does not strongly favor long life, thats why their span is so variable from 2 to 5 years. If you have had him two years, he's probably between two and 3 years old.
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Re: Dwarf w/ IPs - what else can I do?
Ok, thanks for the suggestion. I've looked for at least levimisole before and could not find it, but I'll see what I can find.
My guess is he's probably about 3 years old, maybe a little more. He's still alive this morning, so something tells me he's not ready to die from old age - not without a fight.
Any suggestions to get him to eat something?
Thanks!
My guess is he's probably about 3 years old, maybe a little more. He's still alive this morning, so something tells me he's not ready to die from old age - not without a fight.
Any suggestions to get him to eat something?
Thanks!
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Re: Dwarf w/ IPs - what else can I do?
Ok, I've found a place to purchase levamisole... what would be the best way to provide the sub-7 ph necessary for the drug to work?
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Re: Dwarf w/ IPs - what else can I do?
Changing the pH will likely stress the fish more than it's worth. The pH scale is not linear, so even a change of 0.5 can be very large as far as your fish are concerned.
It would be best if you can get the fish to eat something that has been soaked in the meds for a couple of hours. FW fish do not drink water so treating the water isn't as effective as feeding the meds. I doubt force feeding is an option since DP's are so small.
Hopefully he gets hungry and decides to eat something.
It would be best if you can get the fish to eat something that has been soaked in the meds for a couple of hours. FW fish do not drink water so treating the water isn't as effective as feeding the meds. I doubt force feeding is an option since DP's are so small.
Hopefully he gets hungry and decides to eat something.
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Re: Dwarf w/ IPs - what else can I do?
Ok thanks, I won't bother with the ph.
I just bought some levamisol: http://www.farmandfleet.com/catalog/pro ... x?i=047528
It has a small amount (18.15g) of powder in it, and the directions say to fill the bottle up with water and mix. How should I go about administering this? I'm guessing I would mix it up to create the solution, but then how do I know how much to add to my tank, and how much would I add to some food?
Thanks for all the help!
I just bought some levamisol: http://www.farmandfleet.com/catalog/pro ... x?i=047528
It has a small amount (18.15g) of powder in it, and the directions say to fill the bottle up with water and mix. How should I go about administering this? I'm guessing I would mix it up to create the solution, but then how do I know how much to add to my tank, and how much would I add to some food?
Thanks for all the help!
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Re: Dwarf w/ IPs - what else can I do?
Ok, Ive figured out the dosing from this article:
http://www.loaches.com/disease-treatmen ... chloride-1
Ill update when I get back from work.
http://www.loaches.com/disease-treatmen ... chloride-1
Ill update when I get back from work.
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Re: Dwarf w/ IPs - what else can I do?
I believe levimisole hydrochloride doesn't care about the PH of the water very much, only freebase pure levimisole is strongly affected. I could be wrong...
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Re: Dwarf w/ IPs - what else can I do?
Yes, that's what I read today.
Lorenzo was still alive when I came home from work. I left again and came home now and tank lights are off...pretty hard to find him at night.
Lorenzo was still alive when I came home from work. I left again and came home now and tank lights are off...pretty hard to find him at night.
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Re: Dwarf w/ IPs - what else can I do?
I used this stuff called General Cure and I just soaked some krill and my f8 ate it. He was sick when I got him so I knew I needed to get meds into quick after giving him the meds he seemed better and much hungier. I hope he makes it dps are so cute!
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