Abei ?

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Abei ?

Post by Umbrella »

Ok. I looked very carefully at all the pics of Abei puffs in the pedia.

Before I go off on my little spiel here, I have a quick question about all the Monotrete stuff for you higher experienced peoples. Is Monotrete supposed to be a reclassification of 'Target' puffers ? Because according to what I have read, ' Monotrete ' is not valid. It says, 'not valid: new combination.'

So.. if it isn't valid why are we referring to them as this? (unless of course we are attempting to correct the original discoverer's mistakes)

I'm asking because I have not been able to track down any literature on why people are using Monotrete. And I think in the long run, calling something by two names only adds to confusion. Haha, so fill me in! I'm clueless on it :(

But here is my real question: What exactly are you looking for in the pics of the Abei's to positively identify that they are Def. a T. Abei? Some on there looked a little questionable. The only reason I am asking all of this is because I have 2 questionable ones. One is different from the other in a few ways. And trying to compare doesnt work at all because I think some of those Abei's are something else. (unless you can tell me what the defining factor is :D)

In the pics posted, some have plain dull colors and some have amazing color. That is what I thought the defining factor was for Abei's. Some have red eyes, some blue, some yellow. heh. Is it just orange dots that make them Abei's ? I is are confuzzled. :?

In the 2 specimens I have here, both have a yellowish rear underbelly and a white forward underbelly. Both have patterns of circles covering their backs and sides. One is lighter in color almost all the time ( cept when hiding ) and the other remains a much darker shade and pretty much just chills in one spot. The lighter one has light orange eyes. The darker one has VERY dark red eyes, almost black in appearance. The ligher one has a black ' target ' and in the center is a not so bright red spot. The dark one appears to have a blue target with a faint red dot in the center. Both can shift their colors darker at will. I thought they were Leiurus because one time I saw a pic of what someone called a Leiurus and they matched. However, upon sharing with the community here, we came to the conclusion that they are not Leiurus. Cochinchinensis was the popular vote. So.. do both sound like Fangs puffers to you guys or do you think I might have an Abei? At the moment they are seperate, but they were sold to me from 1 tank as 'Red Belly Puffers'. I find that silly considering the only red on them is a dot and their eyes. I can't get a good enough picture or view to see if the targets are orange or red, but it looks red to me...

Finally, the lighter one appears to have a darker area on his head behind his eyes. It looks like a dark triangular patch. The triangle is pointing toward his mouth.
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I bought some abei's from our LFS. They were also being sold as red bellied puffers. There are some pics in my thread 'T abei at LFS' Sorry they are not the best quality but maybe you can see if they look like yours?

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irene wrote:I bought some abei's from our LFS. They were also being sold as red bellied puffers. There are some pics in my thread 'T abei at LFS' Sorry they are not the best quality but maybe you can see if they look like yours?

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I can't really see them in detail, which I think is the key to them. Others said Def. both are Abei but I don't agree. One of the two I would say most likely is an Abei and the other is closer to a Fangs Puffer ( T. Cochinchinensis ). I can't be too sure until I see them in detail. If you have any clear, close up photos of them, I might be able to distinguish, and give my reasons why :)

BTW, did the store tell you they were Abei's or ?

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Here is one of my 2, the lighter one. Which I believe is a Fangs Puffer ( Tetraodon Cochinchinensis ).

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For Monotrete please see here:

http://www.thepufferforum.com/forum/vie ... te#p101836

http://www.thepufferforum.com/forum/vie ... ete#p98956

You have to use scientific literature if you want to go into detail re taxonomy. Books, fishbase, the internet in general are good to start, but in the end you will have to read scientific papers, especially the first descriptions of new species, if you are interested in taxonomy.

abei: yellow to reddish spots (can change color depending on mood and age) and long snout
leiurus: long snout, spots variable, but not red and yellow centered, except the eye spot
cochinchinensis: short snout, dark spots, eyespot often red on juveniles, can be black on adults

The young however can be very similar.
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Post by Woland »

Corvus is (as always) right. :)

My "personal" method of picking out M. abei in a crowd is:
I have never seen any other "Target" who displays a cluster of reddish/orange spots around the target-spot.
That is of course NOT to say that ALL abeis has aforementioned cluster.

What do you think Corvus?
Safe bet?
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For a good abei argument, look at this thread, when I asked my new puffer to be identified.
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Woland wrote:Corvus is (as always) right. :)
Oh no, there are certainly some I got wrong.
Woland wrote:My "personal" method of picking out M. abei in a crowd is:
I have never seen any other "Target" who displays a cluster of reddish/orange spots around the target-spot.
That is of course NOT to say that ALL abeis has aforementioned cluster.
What do you think Corvus?
Safe bet?
I have never considered this character and while it may be true for smaller specimens in trade, the large ones shown by Roberts (among them the holotype) and large ones I have seen do not clearly show this cluster. All their spots are yellow to red and evenly spread on the entire puffer, there is no eyespot different from the others.

The text says: "Very young T. abei have only a single spot, an ocellated spot on the flank wth a red center. The overall coloration at this stage is very similar to that in very young juveniles of T. leiurus and T. barbatus. With growth additional spots appear, but they are non-ocellated and orange . In addition, the ocellated spot gradually changes. Its center becomes orange, and it loses its outer dark and pale rings, until finally it is indistinguishable from the other spots."

I guess the cluster you observed is prior to the adult stage.

@Troender: Looking again at your puffer it absolutely resembles the ones of Roberts, who named the species.
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Here is my Abei, or at least what I IDed as an Abei.
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The pic above this post looks to me like a T. Cutcutia. In my opinion, its not pretty enough to be an Abei. Abei's have more vibrant colors and show them. ( No offense or anything, lol, he is pretty.. just not as... )

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The one by ToyotaRKeener is an M. abei. They can change their color drastically.
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toyotarkeeners is an Abei. Umbrellas is looking like either a cochinchinensis or turgidus.
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That picture was taken the day I got it, and it was in a bare aquarium for a few hours. The colors have gotten more intense since I got him. I will try to get a few more recent pictures during the next couple of days.
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Corvus wrote:The one by ToyotaRKeener is an M. abei. They can change their color drastically.
In that case.. I have no argument. It is an Abei and that is simply what they look like when terrified.

I have also decided that my questionable puffer is not an Abei, but rather Cochinchinensis.

Thanks guys ;)
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Post by premo »

Hi

As many other contributors have stated, Abei's do have a fantastic ability to change colour / tone
depending on their mood.

I have attached a pic of my chum Isaac, in the picture he is wearing his "happy" colours !!

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