Dear Forum,
During the last few days, my SAP has been exhibiting some odd behaviour. On occasion it has been "barrel rolling" and on one occasion tumbled head over tail. It is otherwise seemingly healthy and eagerly feeds on bloodworms as usual.
This symptom seems to be most common when the SAP has not been fed for almost a whole day (I feed it once a day) so I was wondering if it was some kind of nutritional deficit. I supplement the bloodworms with aquarium vitamin drops about twice a week. I also notice that the teeth of the SAP needs trimming (I last trimmed them a couple of months ago but did not trim them as short as I should have). However, the SAP can still feed and has a rounded stomach after feeding.
My aquarium is heavily planted with real plants and has been cycled about a year. I change 50% of the water weekly and the water parameters are 0 ppm nitrite, 0 ppm ammonia and 25 ppm nitrate.
The SAP shares the tank with a bristle nosed catfish and 6 dwarf puffers and they seem to get on fine (tank size 120L).
Has anyone spotted this behaviour before?
Please advise,
Many thanks,
Tony
Unusual behaviour - SAP
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Note - if you do not normally do large water changes, doing a sudden, large water change could shock your fish by suddenly changing their established water chemistry. Clean water is still your first goal, so in this case, do several smaller (10%) water changes over the next day or two before starting any large ones.
Read this before posting!!
Since this board has been up, we have found there are several questions that routinely get asked in order to help diagnose problems. If you can have that information to begin with in your post, we'll be able to help right away (if we can!) without having to wait for you to post the info we need.
1) Your water parameters - pH, Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrates and salinity (if appropriate). This is by far the most important information you can provide! Do not answer this with "Fine" "Perfect" "ok", that tells us nothing. We need hard numbers.
2) Tank size and a list of ALL inhabitants. Include algae eaters, plecos, everything. We need to know what you have and how big the tank is.
3) Feeding, water change schedule and a list of all products you are using or have added to the tank (examples: Cycle, Amquel, salt, etc)
4) What changes you've made in the tank in the last week or so. Sometimes its the little things that make all the difference.
5) How long the aquarium has been set up, and how did you cycle it? If you don't know what cycling is read this: Fishless Cycling Article and familiarize yourself with all the information. Yes. All of it.
We want to help, and providing this information will go a LONG way to getting a diagnosis and hopeful cure that much faster.
While you wait for assistance:
One of the easiest and best ways to help your fish feel better is clean water! If you are already on a regular water change schedule (50% weekly is recommended) a good step to making your fish more comfortable while waiting for diagnosis/suggestions is to do a large water change immediately. Feel free to repeat daily or as often as you can, clean water is always a good thing! Use of Amquel or Prime as a dechlor may help with any ammonia or nitrite issues, and is highly recommended.
Note - if you do not normally do large water changes, doing a sudden, large water change could shock your fish by suddenly changing their established water chemistry. Clean water is still your first goal, so in this case, do several smaller (10%) water changes over the next day or two before starting any large ones.
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crazedpuffer
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Re: Unusual behaviour - SAP
Well they do need a better diet then just bloodworms, check out the feeding article in the puffer library. He might also have IP which could cause him to act weird when not fed, was he ever treated for IP?
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StormySkiez
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Re: Unusual behaviour - SAP
Hi TonyFrend. I'm sorry I have never heard of the symptoms you are describing. I hope someone else here has to help with that.
As for the teeth have you considered feeding live snails or frozen thawed mussel or oysters from the grocery to keep the puffers teeth trimmed?
You mentioned his belly is rounded after feeding. Does it stay slightly rounded until the next day?
As for the teeth have you considered feeding live snails or frozen thawed mussel or oysters from the grocery to keep the puffers teeth trimmed?
You mentioned his belly is rounded after feeding. Does it stay slightly rounded until the next day?
Last edited by StormySkiez on Mon Feb 04, 2008 8:11 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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crazedpuffer
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Re: Unusual behaviour - SAP
SAPs teeth grow so fast, even hard food doesn;t keeo them down, only slows the growth a bit.
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kangaroosoup
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Re: Unusual behaviour - SAP
I would check on the O2/CO2 levels in your tank and maybe create some more water movement to aerate your water. I've only seen the barrel-rolling behavior in my SAPs during the couple times I had CO2 injection mishaps that caused a spike in the CO2 levels in the water. (My SAPs are in a planted tank with added CO2) The danios and dwarf puffers in the tank were unaffected. I think maybe SAPs are just more sensitive to a lack of oxygenation. Hope this helps.
Re: Unusual behaviour - SAP
Dear Forum,
Many thanks for your useful comments. I will respond to the questions from a number of the members in this one response.
Re: rounded belly, the belly does not remain slightly rounded till the next feed; it looks slightly concave before feeding. I treated the tank for IPs using Flubendazole when I first had the SAP (~ 5 months ago) but I will buy some more medication and treat again just in case. I will also try to give the puffers a more varied diet. I will buy some fresh prawns to start with and see if they are acceptable to the puffers.
I will also keep an eye on my CO2 injection, I did renew my fermentation mixture around the time of the symptoms (not sure if it was just before or just after - will check on timing). I have a CO2 indicator system and will renew the indicator solution in case this is not showing an accurate result.
The SAP seems to be back to it’s usual self today, will pluck up the nerve to trim it’s teeth next weekend.
Thanks again,
Tony
Many thanks for your useful comments. I will respond to the questions from a number of the members in this one response.
Re: rounded belly, the belly does not remain slightly rounded till the next feed; it looks slightly concave before feeding. I treated the tank for IPs using Flubendazole when I first had the SAP (~ 5 months ago) but I will buy some more medication and treat again just in case. I will also try to give the puffers a more varied diet. I will buy some fresh prawns to start with and see if they are acceptable to the puffers.
I will also keep an eye on my CO2 injection, I did renew my fermentation mixture around the time of the symptoms (not sure if it was just before or just after - will check on timing). I have a CO2 indicator system and will renew the indicator solution in case this is not showing an accurate result.
The SAP seems to be back to it’s usual self today, will pluck up the nerve to trim it’s teeth next weekend.
Thanks again,
Tony
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Re: Unusual behaviour - SAP
Sounds like you are on the right track. I wish your little friends well 
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.55g-2 green spotted puffers 1 year old Nov 08!
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