my south american puffer seriously needs trimming but there is no clove oil available within the island. Someone told me alcohol is a good alternative but when i tried it on a minnow, it looked like it was tranquelized at first, but after putting it in fresh water, the fish didnt come back to life.
im sorry im about to go to sleep. ill check this right when i wake up
what would be a good alternative for clove oil?
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We want to help, and providing this information will go a LONG way to getting a diagnosis and hopeful cure that much faster.
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One of the easiest and best ways to help your fish feel better is clean water! If you are already on a regular water change schedule (50% weekly is recommended) a good step to making your fish more comfortable while waiting for diagnosis/suggestions is to do a large water change immediately. Feel free to repeat daily or as often as you can, clean water is always a good thing! Use of Amquel or Prime as a dechlor may help with any ammonia or nitrite issues, and is highly recommended.
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Re: what would be a good alternative for clove oil?
There is another liquid that's safer then clove oil. I forget what it's called but you can order it on fosters and smith.
Re: what would be a good alternative for clove oil?
Do you realy need to get them to sleep? i picked up mine whiteout any problems only to see hiss teath, so it should be no problems trimming them. =)
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Re: what would be a good alternative for clove oil?
you picked your puffer up out of the water?
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Re: what would be a good alternative for clove oil?
They will stress a lot if you don't.
Also having there teeth grinder would really make them squirm.
Imagine going to the dentist and getting a root canal, wtihout any novacaine or gas.
Basically clove oil= novacaine.
Also having there teeth grinder would really make them squirm.
Imagine going to the dentist and getting a root canal, wtihout any novacaine or gas.
Basically clove oil= novacaine.
Re: what would be a good alternative for clove oil?
no he whas in the water al the time, i never trimmed there teath i have had them for maby 7-8 month, clove oil is realy hard to find in sweden! 
So i also wants to know what els i can use
So i also wants to know what els i can useIKEA
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Re: what would be a good alternative for clove oil?
See if you can get Tricaine Methanesulfonate from your vet:
http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/p ... nquil&Np=1
I deleted your other post. Double posts can get confusing. Moving this to the Hospital Forum.
http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/p ... nquil&Np=1
I deleted your other post. Double posts can get confusing. Moving this to the Hospital Forum.
You are getting sleepy... you only hear the sound of my voice... you must do water changes... water changes... water changes... water changes...
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Re: what would be a good alternative for clove oil?
Pufferpunk wrote:See if you can get Tricaine Methanesulfonate from your vet:
http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/p ... nquil&Np=1
I deleted your other post. Double posts can get confusing. Moving this to the Hospital Forum.
uhh i dont think that would be available in my area. i live in japan and well i live in a little piece of america. which is a naval base. i dont think the hospital would have em either.
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Re: what would be a good alternative for clove oil?
Can you order it?
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Re: what would be a good alternative for clove oil?
You can always ask a veternarian, they might have it in stock or be able to order it for you.
If you can order from the Drs, they carry Finquil, which is a safer tranq than clove oil anyways.
If you can order from the Drs, they carry Finquil, which is a safer tranq than clove oil anyways.
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Re: what would be a good alternative for clove oil?
I don't think DFS ships to Japan. You're going to have to get it from a vet.
You are getting sleepy... you only hear the sound of my voice... you must do water changes... water changes... water changes... water changes...
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Re: what would be a good alternative for clove oil?
You really have to trim his teeth ? Approx. how old is he? I have had my SAP for 9 mo and he is good to go. No teeth problems. Do you not feed him anything hard enough to file teeth? SAP's are so small I didn't think they would get very large teeth, kinda like DP's cause they are small.
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Re: what would be a good alternative for clove oil?
SAPs basically need trimming more than any other puffer.
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Re: what would be a good alternative for clove oil?
Interesting, good to know. I will now monitor his teeth as well, although he gets his fair share of snails. 
Thx.
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Re: what would be a good alternative for clove oil?
Umbrella wrote:Interesting, good to know. I will now monitor his teeth as well, although he gets his fair share of snails.
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the fish stores here dont wanna give their snails to me. dunno why