It's been about an hour/less and hiss tummy is almost completely white and he is up and downin at the glass!!!!!!!! I am so relieved!! 
I definitely need a water testing kit and will get it asap.thanks for being here
Mary-Rhea
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Since this board has been up, we have found there are several questions that routinely get asked in order to help diagnose problems. If you can have that information to begin with in your post, we'll be able to help right away (if we can!) without having to wait for you to post the info we need.
1) Your water parameters - pH, Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrates and salinity (if appropriate). This is by far the most important information you can provide! Do not answer this with "Fine" "Perfect" "ok", that tells us nothing. We need hard numbers.
2) Tank size and a list of ALL inhabitants. Include algae eaters, plecos, everything. We need to know what you have and how big the tank is.
3) Feeding, water change schedule and a list of all products you are using or have added to the tank (examples: Cycle, Amquel, salt, etc)
4) What changes you've made in the tank in the last week or so. Sometimes its the little things that make all the difference.
5) How long the aquarium has been set up, and how did you cycle it? If you don't know what cycling is read this: Fishless Cycling Article and familiarize yourself with all the information. Yes. All of it.
We want to help, and providing this information will go a LONG way to getting a diagnosis and hopeful cure that much faster.
While you wait for assistance:
One of the easiest and best ways to help your fish feel better is clean water! If you are already on a regular water change schedule (50% weekly is recommended) a good step to making your fish more comfortable while waiting for diagnosis/suggestions is to do a large water change immediately. Feel free to repeat daily or as often as you can, clean water is always a good thing! Use of Amquel or Prime as a dechlor may help with any ammonia or nitrite issues, and is highly recommended.
Note - if you do not normally do large water changes, doing a sudden, large water change could shock your fish by suddenly changing their established water chemistry. Clean water is still your first goal, so in this case, do several smaller (10%) water changes over the next day or two before starting any large ones.
Read this before posting!!
Since this board has been up, we have found there are several questions that routinely get asked in order to help diagnose problems. If you can have that information to begin with in your post, we'll be able to help right away (if we can!) without having to wait for you to post the info we need.
1) Your water parameters - pH, Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrates and salinity (if appropriate). This is by far the most important information you can provide! Do not answer this with "Fine" "Perfect" "ok", that tells us nothing. We need hard numbers.
2) Tank size and a list of ALL inhabitants. Include algae eaters, plecos, everything. We need to know what you have and how big the tank is.
3) Feeding, water change schedule and a list of all products you are using or have added to the tank (examples: Cycle, Amquel, salt, etc)
4) What changes you've made in the tank in the last week or so. Sometimes its the little things that make all the difference.
5) How long the aquarium has been set up, and how did you cycle it? If you don't know what cycling is read this: Fishless Cycling Article and familiarize yourself with all the information. Yes. All of it.
We want to help, and providing this information will go a LONG way to getting a diagnosis and hopeful cure that much faster.
While you wait for assistance:
One of the easiest and best ways to help your fish feel better is clean water! If you are already on a regular water change schedule (50% weekly is recommended) a good step to making your fish more comfortable while waiting for diagnosis/suggestions is to do a large water change immediately. Feel free to repeat daily or as often as you can, clean water is always a good thing! Use of Amquel or Prime as a dechlor may help with any ammonia or nitrite issues, and is highly recommended.
Note - if you do not normally do large water changes, doing a sudden, large water change could shock your fish by suddenly changing their established water chemistry. Clean water is still your first goal, so in this case, do several smaller (10%) water changes over the next day or two before starting any large ones.
Praise God, He's already well!!!
My original post re: black tummied gsp has not even made it to the forum and the water change as done it!!! It's been about an hour/less and hiss tummy is almost completely white and he is up and downin at the glass!!!!!!!! I am so relieved!! I definitely need a water testing kit and will get it asap.
thanks for being here
Mary-Rhea
It's been about an hour/less and hiss tummy is almost completely white and he is up and downin at the glass!!!!!!!! I am so relieved!! I definitely need a water testing kit and will get it asap.thanks for being here
Mary-Rhea
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Re: Praise God, He's already well!!!
Glad to hear he's better!
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Re: Praise God, He's already well!!!
Good to hear!
Amazing what water changes can do isn't it?
Amazing what water changes can do isn't it?
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Re: Praise God, He's already well!!!
I'll delete your 3 posts on that then. I wonder how well the tank was cycled for a WC to make that much of a difference. Keep a close eye on the parameters for a while.
You are getting sleepy... you only hear the sound of my voice... you must do water changes... water changes... water changes... water changes...
"The solution to pollution is dilution!"
"The solution to pollution is dilution!"
Re: Praise God, He's already well!!!
Dear Pufferpunk,
This morning, Pudge, had a black tummy and all that, then he got better, and that was when I posted this, but now he is back to black tummy and everything, so please don't delete! I really need some advice on him.
Mary-Rhea
This morning, Pudge, had a black tummy and all that, then he got better, and that was when I posted this, but now he is back to black tummy and everything, so please don't delete! I really need some advice on him.
Mary-Rhea
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Re: Praise God, He's already well!!!
I'm so confused... Just post about him on here then. You had 3 other posts with the same subject line. Be sure to answer all the Qs above, in red.
You are getting sleepy... you only hear the sound of my voice... you must do water changes... water changes... water changes... water changes...
"The solution to pollution is dilution!"
"The solution to pollution is dilution!"
sorry he's sick again
Sorry, Pufferpunk,
I posted a "new topic" prior to reading your advice to post here.
40 gal tank
cycled 4 wks then added starter fish and gravel (from cycled tank) and 2 wks later did water check and added puffer.
have a bio wheel filter for 40 to 60 gal.
rechecked h2o - parameters still good:
amonia 0
Ph 8.0 to 8.2
Nitrate 0
nitrite 0
nitrite 0
salinity 1.008
used Prime during water change.
didn't feed him during the day.
when I fed that evening he was mostly black belly again, staying on bottom and showed little interest in his favorite: blood worms.
after the light went out he did the verticle shuffle but hides when light is on.
his tank mates for about 3 wks are 3 Siam algae eaters that he gets along with fine. They even clean him.
any suggestions?
Mary-Rhea
The confusion was created because my ORIGINAL post re: his belly never posted.
I posted a "new topic" prior to reading your advice to post here.
40 gal tank
cycled 4 wks then added starter fish and gravel (from cycled tank) and 2 wks later did water check and added puffer.
have a bio wheel filter for 40 to 60 gal.
rechecked h2o - parameters still good:
amonia 0
Ph 8.0 to 8.2
Nitrate 0
nitrite 0
nitrite 0
salinity 1.008
used Prime during water change.
didn't feed him during the day.
when I fed that evening he was mostly black belly again, staying on bottom and showed little interest in his favorite: blood worms.
after the light went out he did the verticle shuffle but hides when light is on.
his tank mates for about 3 wks are 3 Siam algae eaters that he gets along with fine. They even clean him.
any suggestions?
Mary-Rhea
The confusion was created because my ORIGINAL post re: his belly never posted.
latest update
Okay, he's swimming and so I can see the front 1/2 of belly is white and the back 1/2 is blackish. I'm going to try to feed him and see if he is more interested.
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mr
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Re: Praise God, He's already well!!!
0 nitrate is a sign of an uncycled tank.
How was the tank cycled prior to adding the starter fish?
How was the tank cycled prior to adding the starter fish?
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Re: Praise God, He's already well!!!
I agree the tank does not sound cycled if Nitrate is 0...but is the fact that the algae eaters 'clean' him not a huge concern? My understanding was that due to the slime coat rather than scales this could be fatal for a puffer, sorry if my understanding is not correct.
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Re: Praise God, He's already well!!!
Oh snap totally missed that part, your right jeni.
Chances are its the SAE doing it. I'd get them out ASAP.
Chances are its the SAE doing it. I'd get them out ASAP.
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Re: Praise God, He's already well!!!
Yup, SAEs are bad fellows.
You are getting sleepy... you only hear the sound of my voice... you must do water changes... water changes... water changes... water changes...
"The solution to pollution is dilution!"
"The solution to pollution is dilution!"
black belly
Okay!! As soon as I read your posts I chased down the SAE and they are in a floater tub right now and will get them out tomorrow. Pudge is now dark all over.
I followed the instructions from LFS on cycling. I ran it w/ some of their established gravel for a month. They checked the water and said I could put some fish in it. I did. 2 wks later they checked the water again and said I could introduce the puffers. I did.
I just bought this testing kit, the same one used at the store and the values I have are what THEY TOLD ME it should be. I'm not yelling at you, I'm yelling about all the misinformation I'm getting from these stores. I told people I know from 2 different LFS that the SAE's were cleaning him and both of them said it wasn't a problem if he didn't seem to mind!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The info in the kit and the LFS said Nitrite no 2 and no3 should be 0... there is no test (in this kit) for nitates.
What can I do quickly (if anything) to get this corrected and should I pup something in to help w/ the slime coat. My Prime says it does aid in this but that may not be the best choice.
I appreciate your help... thanks so much. From now on I'm coming straight to TPF for any questions 'cause it's obvious I can't trust the shops.
mary-rhea
I followed the instructions from LFS on cycling. I ran it w/ some of their established gravel for a month. They checked the water and said I could put some fish in it. I did. 2 wks later they checked the water again and said I could introduce the puffers. I did.
I just bought this testing kit, the same one used at the store and the values I have are what THEY TOLD ME it should be. I'm not yelling at you, I'm yelling about all the misinformation I'm getting from these stores. I told people I know from 2 different LFS that the SAE's were cleaning him and both of them said it wasn't a problem if he didn't seem to mind!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The info in the kit and the LFS said Nitrite no 2 and no3 should be 0... there is no test (in this kit) for nitates.
What can I do quickly (if anything) to get this corrected and should I pup something in to help w/ the slime coat. My Prime says it does aid in this but that may not be the best choice.
I appreciate your help... thanks so much. From now on I'm coming straight to TPF for any questions 'cause it's obvious I can't trust the shops.
mary-rhea
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Re: Praise God, He's already well!!!
If your nitrite is 2, then you are are at extremely toxic levels. You must start doing large daily water changes. Use Prime. Look for Bio-Spira to cycle the tank. Get your own test kits for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate & pH. Do you have a hydrometer?
Please read the Fishless Cycling article in our Library to understand cycling. Adding substrate from an established tank will only seed the tank but without an ammonia source, the bacteria just died off. So in essence, your tank is not cycled at all. I'd find another LFS.
Please read the Fishless Cycling article in our Library to understand cycling. Adding substrate from an established tank will only seed the tank but without an ammonia source, the bacteria just died off. So in essence, your tank is not cycled at all. I'd find another LFS.
You are getting sleepy... you only hear the sound of my voice... you must do water changes... water changes... water changes... water changes...
"The solution to pollution is dilution!"
"The solution to pollution is dilution!"