The temp before we put the heater in (yesterday evening), i'm fraid to say, please don't kill us, was 67.8f. I've slowly raised it and it's 75.5 so far this afternoon. Will continue to raise. Have to decide on BW or FW setup or both. I think wife is leaning toward existing 16g tank as FW, keeping the DP and giving F8's to LFS.
The DP's look like they all have ich now - just a few specs. I'm still not sure it's ich on the F8 only cuz it's a little fuzzy/cotton-like but am treating w/ Maracyn (in case it's columnaris), Maroxy (in case its fungus). For the ich i've started Maracide. Let me know if this makes sense. Thanks.
Sick F8, need help diagnosing (with pics)
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Since this board has been up, we have found there are several questions that routinely get asked in order to help diagnose problems. If you can have that information to begin with in your post, we'll be able to help right away (if we can!) without having to wait for you to post the info we need.
1) Your water parameters - pH, Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrates and salinity (if appropriate). This is by far the most important information you can provide! Do not answer this with "Fine" "Perfect" "ok", that tells us nothing. We need hard numbers.
2) Tank size and a list of ALL inhabitants. Include algae eaters, plecos, everything. We need to know what you have and how big the tank is.
3) Feeding, water change schedule and a list of all products you are using or have added to the tank (examples: Cycle, Amquel, salt, etc)
4) What changes you've made in the tank in the last week or so. Sometimes its the little things that make all the difference.
5) How long the aquarium has been set up, and how did you cycle it? If you don't know what cycling is read this: Fishless Cycling Article and familiarize yourself with all the information. Yes. All of it.
We want to help, and providing this information will go a LONG way to getting a diagnosis and hopeful cure that much faster.
While you wait for assistance:
One of the easiest and best ways to help your fish feel better is clean water! If you are already on a regular water change schedule (50% weekly is recommended) a good step to making your fish more comfortable while waiting for diagnosis/suggestions is to do a large water change immediately. Feel free to repeat daily or as often as you can, clean water is always a good thing! Use of Amquel or Prime as a dechlor may help with any ammonia or nitrite issues, and is highly recommended.
Note - if you do not normally do large water changes, doing a sudden, large water change could shock your fish by suddenly changing their established water chemistry. Clean water is still your first goal, so in this case, do several smaller (10%) water changes over the next day or two before starting any large ones.
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Re: Sick F8, need help diagnosing (with pics)
I think I posted this already, but maybe it got lost somehow... I don't think you need any of those medications. I had a puffer that looked just like that, it was just excessive slime from being at too low an SG combined with skin irritation from ich. Just slightly increase the amount of salt and get the heat up to about 86. Unnecessary medications can weaken a fish and prevent it from fighting off what is actually wrong, and no medication is necessary for ich, just salt, heat and time.
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Re: Sick F8, need help diagnosing (with pics)
I agree. Getting those fish into the proper salinity with a higher temperature will likely rid them of disease.
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Re: Sick F8, need help diagnosing (with pics)
I thought he was talking about dwarf puffers. Solely freshwater correct?CoreyK wrote:I agree. Getting those fish into the proper salinity with a higher temperature will likely rid them of disease.
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Re: Sick F8, need help diagnosing (with pics)
Nick, your probably right that the SG was too low. I couln't raise it w/o stressing the DP's. Not to worry, the F8 they are gone.... 
Gone to the LFS and they have all sorts of hospital tanks they tell us! Mgr said it looked like ich w/some fungal infection. He said they should be fine. I'm hoping it wasn't too late. They were still eating just b4 we bagged them.
Now we have the 3 DP to worry about. I will terminate all but the Maricide treatment, and continue w/ the increasing the temp and get some bubble action online. Just found PufferPunks article http://www.dwarfpuffers.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3.... Should have listened to you guys better on the meds as they usually are a last resort. That being the case, is it too late to stop Maricide (today was the 1st dose) and start w/ Permafix/Melafix? Or continue finish the meds w/ a remaining dosage on day 3 and 5.
Gone to the LFS and they have all sorts of hospital tanks they tell us! Mgr said it looked like ich w/some fungal infection. He said they should be fine. I'm hoping it wasn't too late. They were still eating just b4 we bagged them.Now we have the 3 DP to worry about. I will terminate all but the Maricide treatment, and continue w/ the increasing the temp and get some bubble action online. Just found PufferPunks article http://www.dwarfpuffers.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3.... Should have listened to you guys better on the meds as they usually are a last resort. That being the case, is it too late to stop Maricide (today was the 1st dose) and start w/ Permafix/Melafix? Or continue finish the meds w/ a remaining dosage on day 3 and 5.
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Re: Sick F8, need help diagnosing (with pics)
If it's down to the DP's, I'd probably just treat for ich as per the article on the site, a bit of salt and some time. I doubt having used the dose of maracide will affect the treatment either way.
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