GROSSLY SWOLLEN GS puffer

Oh no! Sick fish?! Come here and see if someone can help!
Forum rules
Read this before posting!!

Since this board has been up, we have found there are several questions that routinely get asked in order to help diagnose problems. If you can have that information to begin with in your post, we'll be able to help right away (if we can!) without having to wait for you to post the info we need.

1) Your water parameters - pH, Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrates and salinity (if appropriate). This is by far the most important information you can provide! Do not answer this with "Fine" "Perfect" "ok", that tells us nothing. We need hard numbers.

2) Tank size and a list of ALL inhabitants. Include algae eaters, plecos, everything. We need to know what you have and how big the tank is.

3) Feeding, water change schedule and a list of all products you are using or have added to the tank (examples: Cycle, Amquel, salt, etc)

4) What changes you've made in the tank in the last week or so. Sometimes its the little things that make all the difference.

5) How long the aquarium has been set up, and how did you cycle it? If you don't know what cycling is read this: Fishless Cycling Article and familiarize yourself with all the information. Yes. All of it.

We want to help, and providing this information will go a LONG way to getting a diagnosis and hopeful cure that much faster.

While you wait for assistance:
One of the easiest and best ways to help your fish feel better is clean water! If you are already on a regular water change schedule (50% weekly is recommended) a good step to making your fish more comfortable while waiting for diagnosis/suggestions is to do a large water change immediately. Feel free to repeat daily or as often as you can, clean water is always a good thing! Use of Amquel or Prime as a dechlor may help with any ammonia or nitrite issues, and is highly recommended.

Note - if you do not normally do large water changes, doing a sudden, large water change could shock your fish by suddenly changing their established water chemistry. Clean water is still your first goal, so in this case, do several smaller (10%) water changes over the next day or two before starting any large ones.
majoun
Puffer Fry
Posts: 22
Joined: Fri Sep 21, 2007 1:48 am

Re: GROSSLY SWOLLEN GS puffer

Post by majoun »

Swelling is gone today, he looks so small, and THIN, now im worried about him eating
majoun
Puffer Fry
Posts: 22
Joined: Fri Sep 21, 2007 1:48 am

Re: GROSSLY SWOLLEN GS puffer

Post by majoun »

So, with the nitrites down below 20 (THANK YOU MYAJ), the fish has become un-swollen. He is VERY skinny, though IS eating small amounts. I know he has been eating, and tonight, I know he is excreting. HOWEVER, being so skinny, he has a sunken in, dented look to his rear left side, pictures below. He seems to be swimming fine. Anyone ever seen this in a really skinny puffer. Is he broken?



http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2 ... 1381527271
User avatar
manutius
Former Staff Member
Posts: 1316
Joined: Mon Dec 11, 2006 3:49 pm
My Puffers: RIP Clooney the Mbu :(
Location: Southend essex, UK
Contact:

Re: GROSSLY SWOLLEN GS puffer

Post by manutius »

I must say that does not look normal and though not the typical sign of Internal Parasites (IP's) I think you should treat for it as many new puffers have some infection of internal parasites. Normally the belly is sunken in undernetah. Are the poos white and stringy? If so IP's are at play and treatment is needed

You may find that this is just how your puffer is though and it may be like this for its entire life but if it is otherwise healthy then its more of a charming quirk like Cindy crawfords mole ;) I had a gourami thats body was abnormal in shape and she lived for 5 years with no problems, even though her body was shorteer and dented with a lump in the tail
majoun
Puffer Fry
Posts: 22
Joined: Fri Sep 21, 2007 1:48 am

Re: GROSSLY SWOLLEN GS puffer

Post by majoun »

No, poos arent white, in fact, if you look at that last batch of pictures ( esp #1 )closely, you can take a look for yourself. I wish they had ribs.
majoun
Puffer Fry
Posts: 22
Joined: Fri Sep 21, 2007 1:48 am

Re: GROSSLY SWOLLEN GS puffer

Post by majoun »

appetite increasing :D . "dent" is unchanged :( . Wondering if a little meat on his bones will help. keeping the nite's and amonias down.

i havent been able to find anything out about the caved in side, wondering if he got himself wedged in something when he was swollen and there was skeletal damage, i read that they dont have ribs, maybe spine?

he currently picks at bloodworms, and eats a decent amount of plankton. ive got a smorgesbord in the freezer, hes really picky right now. got a single small ghost shrimp in his tank, in case he gets a hankering, hes eaten them before. Seems to nip at snails, but isnt aggressivly eating them, which is totally uncharacteristic from before the swelling.

since he wasnt eating anything for a while, how fast do their teeth grow?
User avatar
my name is mike
Green Spotted Puffer
Posts: 264
Joined: Fri Nov 10, 2006 12:41 pm
Location: chicago

Re: GROSSLY SWOLLEN GS puffer

Post by my name is mike »

great article ! --

only one question -- how on earth do you catch a puffer with your hands ? my figure 8's are speed demonds hell bent on staying as far away from my hands as possible -- is it easier to first catch them in a smaller container and then grab them ?>??
Mike
Nick
Former Staff Member
Posts: 3231
Joined: Sun Oct 22, 2006 8:47 pm
My Puffers: Mine:
GSPs - Shakespeare and Jillybean
F8 - Velvet
My fiance:
DP - Emma Goldman
Narrow Lined Puffer - Ulrike
Location (country): Northeastern USA
Location: Middletown, CT
Contact:

Re: GROSSLY SWOLLEN GS puffer

Post by Nick »

Precisely because they have no ribs, puffers are the shapes of their organs, so if his body was filling with fluid(quite possible) organs may have been displaces for a long time and take an equally long time or longer to move back.
No matter how magnificent your successes or devastating your failures, the worlds' approximately 5 billion impoverished people could not possibly care less.
majoun
Puffer Fry
Posts: 22
Joined: Fri Sep 21, 2007 1:48 am

Re: GROSSLY SWOLLEN GS puffer

Post by majoun »

Thank you Nick.
jbryandavis
Puffer Fry
Posts: 7
Joined: Sat Nov 24, 2007 5:38 pm

Re: GROSSLY SWOLLEN GS puffer

Post by jbryandavis »

my name is mike wrote:great article ! --

only one question -- how on earth do you catch a puffer with your hands ? my figure 8's are speed demonds hell bent on staying as far away from my hands as possible -- is it easier to first catch them in a smaller container and then grab them ?>??
You can use a jar, I often use a plastic fish container like they have at the fish stores, the container they put the fish in before they put them into the bag while they're catching them.

With puffers you need to be very careful, esp GSP's because the nets can damage them really easily. It doesn't always happen but its' just a good idea *not* to do it.
Nick
Former Staff Member
Posts: 3231
Joined: Sun Oct 22, 2006 8:47 pm
My Puffers: Mine:
GSPs - Shakespeare and Jillybean
F8 - Velvet
My fiance:
DP - Emma Goldman
Narrow Lined Puffer - Ulrike
Location (country): Northeastern USA
Location: Middletown, CT
Contact:

Re: GROSSLY SWOLLEN GS puffer

Post by Nick »

I've found when catching SW fish or cichlids( or any smart, fast, dodgy fish), at the store I work in that the easiest way is to place a plastic specimin container in one corner of the tank flat to both pieces of glass(or as close as you can get in off shape tanks, not a problem in a LFS) and chase the fish around with the net. The fish eventually goes into the container, and you cap it with the net quick and you have your fish.
No matter how magnificent your successes or devastating your failures, the worlds' approximately 5 billion impoverished people could not possibly care less.
User avatar
manutius
Former Staff Member
Posts: 1316
Joined: Mon Dec 11, 2006 3:49 pm
My Puffers: RIP Clooney the Mbu :(
Location: Southend essex, UK
Contact:

Re: GROSSLY SWOLLEN GS puffer

Post by manutius »

I have used a similar technique buy leaving a clear bag ope full of water in the tank and baiting it, when the fish is in there you pull the bag out
Post Reply