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White blotch around porcs mouth?
Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 11:02 pm
by crazedpuffer
Hi guys, I've had my porc for over a year now with no problems, but just now when I fed him when he went to eat the food he looked like he was yawning or something and couldnt close his mouth. Then I noticed it had white blotches all around it's mouth too. Could it be from getting pick on or is he sick?
The small blob in that pic is a mysis shrimp, the big blob is the fungus thing.
Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 11:31 pm
by Nick
Can he close his mouth? Porcs fed mostly krill often get a B vitamin deficiency which gives them lockjaw. If he can't close his mouth I would guess the white stuff is damage to his mouth from bumping it against things he's trying to eat.
Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 12:29 am
by Puffer Queen
It is true that diets that consist mainly of krill do lead to nutritional deficiencies and lock jaw but Vitamin B is not the cause.
The white circle/area is bacterial infection. Is it spreading ? Most likely this is vibrio - a gram negative bacteria. Needs to be treated immediately with kanamycin, nitrofurazone or maracyn-2. These infections "pop up" fast and spread rapidly. They are often hard to treat. Make sure to enrich the diet with vitamins and beta glucan to boost the immune system.
Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 12:42 am
by crazedpuffer
He can close his mouth and I rarely feed him krill. He mostly has bloodworms, mysis, clams, and brine on occasion. I just noticed it today so I don't know if its spreading or not but I'll try some of the stuff PufferQueen. mentioned I'll keep you updated thanks!
Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 2:18 am
by Pufferpunk
I highly suggest treating him w/those meds in QT. They will crash the biological system of your main tank.
Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 7:25 am
by Puffer Queen
Yes, definitely in a separate tank. I prefer antibiotic baths over prolonged immersion (adding the antibiotic to the hospital tank).
Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 12:54 pm
by Pufferpunk
Kelly, can you describe the bath? How much med, for how long?
Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 1:36 pm
by Puffer Queen
Usually you add the amount you would to 10 gallons to just 1 gallon container/bucket. Aerate well and bath fish for 1 hour. Return to hospital tank.
I am at work and do not have my cheat sheet....
Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 2:33 pm
by Pufferpunk
We really need articles on this kind of stuff. Kelly, if you've got something, can we add it to our Library? We're putting together a hospital section for it noe.
Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 10:34 pm
by Nick
I'm really glad it's not lockjaw, if you follow the advice about antibiotic baths and have a tough fish I'm sure it will clear up.
Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 10:42 pm
by crazedpuffer
Yeah I'm glad it's not lockjaw. I never knew they could get something like that either. I hope it clears up I'll keep you posted.... Nick you go on the dp forum too right?
Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 10:44 pm
by Nick
Yes, I have DP's and post regularly on the the DP forum, as well as the tropical resources puffer forum. I love me my pufferfish
Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 10:47 pm
by crazedpuffer
Yeah I thought so lol. I post as crazedpuffer on the dp forum!
Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 10:49 pm
by Nick
Cool
I use Nick just about everywhere. Easy, short, and memorable.
Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 3:59 pm
by Puffer Queen
Here are some doses:
Nitrofurazone (gram negative antibiotic)
Dose: Bath – 100mg/l for 30 – 60 minutes
Kanamycin (antibiotic)
Dose: Oral- 50 mg/kg of body weight per day
Prolonged immersion: 50-100 mg/liter (190-380 mg/gallon) every 3 days for
3 treatments.