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HELP! Figure 8 puffer is breathing heavily and not eating

Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2022 10:33 am
by Marknicolaus
1. PH: 8.0, Ammonia: 0, Nitrite: 0, Nitrates: >20, Salinity: 1.006
2. 29 gallon tank, quiet flow filter, heater (keeping it about 76°), and LED lights on the top. Inside we have sand, a few rock structures/caves, 5 fake plants, and a few other small aquarium decorations.
3. Feeding schedule: once a day (mainly frozen bloomworms and brine shrimp), 40% water change weekly, and we are using API QuickStart and Prime water conditioner.
4. In the last week we’ve made one 20% water change and one 40% water change.
5. The aquarium has been set up for 3 weeks, and was fully cycled by using API QuickStart before introducing the fish 2 weeks ago.

Hello,

My girlfriend and I got our first puffer (Mr. Edgar Allen Puff) about 2 weeks ago. We did as much research as we could before getting him, and for the first week plus a day or two he had been acting fine. Before he was introduced our table was fully cycled. Ammonia and nitrite both at 0, and nitrate at 15-20 ppm.

We noticed the ammonia and nitrite levels both start to spike to .25 ppm on Monday. We did our first 20% water change then as we did not want to shock him by doing it too early.

Since that water change, the ammonia level went back to 0, but nitrite was still at .25 ppm. Mr. Puff was very sluggish (but still eating) and only wanted to lay down on the sand, and would get up only every hour or so. Because of his weird behavior and the nitrites still being above 0, we did another water change last night at 40%.

After that water change, ammonia/nitrite are back to 0 (nitrates at 20 ppm or less throughout this whole period). But he still hasn’t been acting normal. He’s now just spending time surfing the glass, breathing heavily, and this morning he didn’t eat for the first time every since we fed him.

I have a feeling our ammonia and nitrite levels spiked because I think we over fed him for the first few days and had waited too long for our first water change. Not sure if this is an accurate assumption but either way we want to help Mr. Puff! Every time we help him it seems another problem pops up.

Any feedback is appreciated. Thanks in advance!
Mark

Re: HELP! Figure 8 puffer is breathing heavily and not eating

Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2022 11:33 am
by Pufferpunk
Did that bottle contain LIVE bacteria?
What test kits are you using?
Just the 1 puffer in there?

Re: HELP! Figure 8 puffer is breathing heavily and not eating

Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2022 11:45 am
by Marknicolaus
Yes, API QuickStart contains love nitrifying bacteria. We are using the API saltwater master test kit. And yes, just 1 puffer.

Re: HELP! Figure 8 puffer is breathing heavily and not eating

Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:43 pm
by Pufferpunk
I looked into this product & it's just dead bacteria in a bottle. Nothing more than adding fish waste to your tank. Your tank is not cycled. There is absolutely no way a bottle can offer Live FW & SW bacteria, as they are totally different. Tetra Safestart or Dr Tim's is your best bet.
The reason your ammonia/nitrite were 0 is that there were no fish in there. Once you added the bioload of a fish, the cycle started. Ammonia/nitrite poisoning/burn can cause permanent damage to a fish's skin, eyes & gills.

Are you using the API liquid test kits? FW would be the one I would use. Get Safestart (easier to find), do a large (80%) WC & add it directly to your filter.

Re: HELP! Figure 8 puffer is breathing heavily and not eating

Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2022 12:26 am
by Marknicolaus
Yes we are using API liquid test kits. We will get safestart and do an 80% water change ASAP… but what do you mean by “add it directly to your filter”? Is there any YouTube video that can show exactly what this is?

Re: HELP! Figure 8 puffer is breathing heavily and not eating

Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2022 12:35 am
by Marknicolaus
I just looked into the difference between Tetra Safestart and API QuickStart. I’m seeing that Safestart can only be used in freshwater, whereas QuickStart can be used in fresh or saltwater.

Our water is brackish with 1.005-6 salinity. Just wanted to make sure Safestart will work properly in brackish before trying it.

Re: HELP! Figure 8 puffer is breathing heavily and not eating

Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2022 6:06 pm
by Pufferpunk
What kind of filter are you using? I meant to pour it into your filter because that's where most of the nitrifying bacteria live.
There will be some die-off with the BW.
How is your puffer doing today?