MBU puffer needs help!

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MBU puffer needs help!

Post by mrorchid » Fri Nov 30, 2018 6:43 pm

Hey guys I'm new to this forum, I have a 5 inch Mbu puffer that I got from LFS about a month ago. He is very picky but eating fine on shrimp, clams, mussels and snails. I have 2 problems that I need help with. Mbu puffer experts please help!
1) Water parameters all normal
2) 40Gal Quarantine, 100G main tank with plecos, Danios and Guppies for cleanup.
3) 25% water change everyday sucking up all the stringy poop.
4) 2 months.

First, I don't know how Mbu puffer poop should look like but I have a lot of experience with cichlids. His poop looks white stringy and beady. I believe he has internal parasites as it is common from wild caught fish. He is not skinny at all though. I have been treating him with API general cure mixed in his food with garlic juice and Epsom salt for 2 weeks now. The picture I attached is his poop after eating shrimps with medication from a few hours ago. I don't know if his poop is normal, I just don't want to be treating him unnecessarily.

https://ibb.co/8zvsyrd

Second problem is his tail fin. He has a split in the middle since I got him, I thought it would heal but hasn't healed at all over a month. I believe it might be a defect or he was injured by other tank mates. I think the split might be permanent since it looks like the cartilage is damaged. What I'm worried about is that it is not fin rot right?

https://ibb.co/0yTtqvj

Any help is appreciated thanks!
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Re: MBU puffer needs help!

Post by Pufferpunk » Fri Nov 30, 2018 7:00 pm

[welcome]
It is possibly IPs--wouldn't hurt to treat. API General Cure looks to be more for external parasites though. I'd go with Metro or Prazi.
library/hospital/internal-parasites-pre ... treatment/

As far as the tail, it does look like it had been damaged. It may or may not heal back to a single tail. You could try Melafix for that.

Some extra reading on mbus:
library/puffers-in-focus/mbuforyou/
viewtopic.php?f=56&t=150
You are getting sleepy... you only hear the sound of my voice... you must do water changes... water changes... water changes... water changes...

"The solution to pollution is dilution!"

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Re: MBU puffer needs help!

Post by mrorchid » Fri Nov 30, 2018 7:08 pm

Pufferpunk wrote:
Fri Nov 30, 2018 7:00 pm
[welcome]
It is possibly IPs--wouldn't hurt to treat. API General Cure looks to be more for external parasites though. I'd go with Metro or Prazi.
library/hospital/internal-parasites-pre ... treatment/

As far as the tail, it does look like it had been damaged. It may or may not heal back to a single tail. You could try Melafix for that.

Some extra reading on mbus:
library/puffers-in-focus/mbuforyou/
viewtopic.php?f=56&t=150
Thank you pufferpunk, I have tried Seachem Metroplex for a week and it does not seem to work. My puffer hates food that has been soaked in Prazipro which I also tried. Since Metroplex contains Metronidazole and Prazipro contains Praziquantel. API General Cure contains both Metronidazole and Praziquantel which I thought would be a good idea. I also ordered Levamisole HCl to give it a try and should be coming in the mail in a few days.

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Re: MBU puffer needs help!

Post by Pufferpunk » Fri Nov 30, 2018 11:18 pm

Add a crushed garlic clove to the med soaks. It enhances the flavor for some reason.
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Re: MBU puffer needs help!

Post by mrorchid » Sat Dec 01, 2018 12:47 am

Pufferpunk wrote:
Fri Nov 30, 2018 11:18 pm
Add a crushed garlic clove to the med soaks. It enhances the flavor for some reason.
I tried with Garlic with Prazipro, he just spits it back out. Just to confirm, the poop is not normal right?

Thanks Pufferpunk!

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Re: MBU puffer needs help!

Post by Pufferpunk » Sat Dec 01, 2018 11:27 am

It does look awfully stringy but their poop often looks like their food, especially if overfed. You feed a lot of white, meaty foods.
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Re: MBU puffer needs help!

Post by mrorchid » Mon Dec 03, 2018 4:30 pm

Update: this is how his poop looks like after treating with Metronidazole and Praziquantel mixed in a piece of shrimp with Espom salt, Seachem Focus and Garlic juice.

https://ibb.co/5B43dyV

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Re: MBU puffer needs help!

Post by Pufferpunk » Mon Dec 03, 2018 6:48 pm

Looks like the food you're feeding him. How's his weight?
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Re: MBU puffer needs help!

Post by mrorchid » Tue Dec 04, 2018 5:13 pm

he is not skinny at all, eating well on shrimps, clams, live crabs, live snails and live shrimp. his poop looks fine when he eats crabs. Black poop which looks more normal I guess.

Trying to avoid live food unless I'm not home for a few days and I put a bunch of them in the tank.

Should I stop treating and resume if he gets skinny or refusing food?

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Re: MBU puffer needs help!

Post by Pufferpunk » Tue Dec 04, 2018 10:34 pm

I think so, yes. I've rarely determined IPs from poop & to me, it looks like the white, meaty foods he's eating.
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