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Arothron Nigropunctatus subdermal parasites

Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 2:54 pm
by gdsentropy
Hello,

I searched the lib and forum for endoparasites and got no hits..but then forum search functions aren't very compatible with how I try to use them. Regardless I wasn't able to find anything specifically about subdermal parasite treatment in puffers with Google either.

I expect the puff has had these for years, and without knowing what they specifically are and thus their lifecycle there is no way for me to know if they can spread. The puff is 7ish, and used to eat raw seafood, ramshorn snails, etc, which is where I suspect he contracted this if he didn't come with them.

These worms are around 2-3" long and burrow around under the puffers skin. I have never seen one outside the puffer.
What can I treat these with? Is it even possible? If they were intestinal or external, treatment would seem more possible, but subdermal? It seems like I would have to saturate the puffer with meds....which seems....bad.

I cannot get the puff to hold still for a picture, as when the worms are right under his skin the puff flies around the tank. I guess they burrow in muscle the rest of the time.

Unless veins are circles and S shapes, and change position....these are worms. If anyone else is infected, the worms aren't apparent.

With him there are a Tetraodon Nigroviridis, Arothron Hispidus and Diodon Holocanthus in the 220g, bare slate tile bottom. I run O3 in a Reef Octopus reactor at 3psi@2lpm connected directly to the intake of a SRO5000ext skimmer, 300-350mv via Milwaukee ORP controller, chaeto rock and mud in a half-dark refugium, the water goes through about a pound of Purigen and the same of GAC prior to return pump... SG 1.024, all other water params are boring and stay locked in place, a bunch of zeros. They eat 3x per day, all but the Diodon eat New Life Spectrum w/garlic and Hikari massivore delite, the Diodon eats krill (Hispidus grabs some too) and 4-6 bloodworm cubes per meal.

Thanks,
Ian

Re: Arothron Nigropunctatus subdermal parasites

Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 7:31 pm
by Iliveinazoo
I would try going for an off-the-shelf worm and parasite medication. Failing that the dog face puffer is known to tolerate brackish conditions so you could try housing in sg1.015 for a couple of weeks? I must say that I have no epxerience with dog face puffers though...

Re: Arothron Nigropunctatus subdermal parasites

Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2016 2:27 am
by pokeystar
After searching I found a thread here discussing a green spot puffer with skin worms. http://www.thepufferforum.com/forum/vie ... 0&start=45

Sounds like surgery is the only option to remove them?

Re: Arothron Nigropunctatus subdermal parasites

Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2016 9:53 am
by Pufferpunk
Yes, those are nematodes. Surgery is the only option. Or just leave them be.

Re: Arothron Nigropunctatus subdermal parasites

Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2016 2:31 pm
by gdsentropy
Thanks for the replies!

The puff has pretty significant amounts of these foul things unfortunately, I would put it well over 20. I doubt surgery would be survivable with numbers like that. He may be reaching EOL, but I hope not. I guess I'll have to ask a vet at this point. Stupid worms.

I am going to read the rest of that thread for any clues to their lifecycle and such as well.

Thanks again!
Ian

Re: Arothron Nigropunctatus subdermal parasites

Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2016 4:15 pm
by pokeystar
Good Luck. Let us know how it goes.