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Sick GSP, possible IP?

Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 7:44 pm
by sbc580
Water Parameters -
Ammonia - 0
Nitrite - 0
Nitrates - 0
pH - 8.0
Salinity - 1.018

Tank Size: 37 Gallons with 1 GSP, and 3 small hermit crabs with about 40 pounds of live rock, purchased from LFS.

I was feeding him fresh shrimp bought from the grocery store, freeze dried krill, and gut loaded ghost shrimp soaked in liquid vitamins.

I rearranged the live rock on sunday.

Aquarium was cycled for about a month and a half before I added my GSP.
GSP has been in the tank since 3/24/13

I think it is a internal parasite because his black belly goes in and out, and his poop is white and stringy.
I have been feeding him food soaked in tank water and searchem Metronidazole.
The first treatment was on 5/26 and was doing every other day for almost a week. On Friday (5/31) I upped the dosage to everyday. He has shown no signs of improvement. His belly is still black, and his larger then normal.
When I got home today, he was curled up, and floating around the top of the tank, mainly next to the intake of my HOB protein skimmer.

I am currently running water through my RODI filter, and will change about 8 gallons of water later tonight.

Re: Sick GSP, possible IP?

Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 11:05 pm
by Pufferpunk
Poor fella! That doesn't sound good... Maybe he was just napping.
Is he still eating?

Re: Sick GSP, possible IP?

Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 11:16 pm
by sbc580
I fed him some shrimp, and he gobbled it up really quick, like normal. He was swimming around after he ate.
I just did a 10-12 gallon water change 20 minutes ago and he was swimming around for a while.
Now he doesn't look so good again. He is sticking to the top corner of the tank with a really dark stomach.

Re: Sick GSP, possible IP?

Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2013 1:22 am
by Pufferpunk
Sounds like something's up with your water.

Re: Sick GSP, possible IP?

Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2013 7:31 am
by purplecandle
sbc580 wrote:I fed him some shrimp, and he gobbled it up really quick, like normal. He was swimming around after he ate.
I just did a 10-12 gallon water change 20 minutes ago and he was swimming around for a while.
Now he doesn't look so good again. He is sticking to the top corner of the tank with a really dark stomach.
My gsps turn dark after eating and then they go to their areas. One has a spot under decor and one hangs in the plants.

Some of what you describe sounds like a sick puffer, and then some of what you describe sounds like normal behavior. Any chance you can get a pic of the tank and the puffer?

Re: Sick GSP, possible IP?

Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2013 7:46 am
by RTR
Just as insurance, lay off the FD krill for a while.

Keep up the water changes just in case, even though the measurable parameters look fine.

How much sand and what kind of sand is in the tank?

Re: Sick GSP, possible IP?

Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2013 8:57 am
by sbc580
I'll get some pictures when I get home today.
In the past, after he eats he would swim up and down the glass and hide behind the live rock, but would never turn black.
I'll do a 8-10 gallon water change tonight.

I used live sand suggested by the LFS, I am not sure of the exact amount though. It is 2-3 inches deep.

Should I continue feeding him food soaked in Metronidazole?

Forgot to add. I've always used RODI water with instant ocean sea salt mix. Testing the SG has always been done with a refractometer.

Re: Sick GSP, possible IP?

Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2013 9:49 am
by Pufferpunk
I'd reduce that sand to 1".

Re: Sick GSP, possible IP?

Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 12:48 am
by sbc580
Small update:
I just finished doing a 9 gallon water change.
He seems to be doing better. His belly is still black, but when I walk up to the tank, he will greet me and his belly slowly turns white. I fed him some shrimp, and he ate it up really quick again.

Like pufferpunk said, I think it is a water issue. I just cleaned my HOB protein skimmer and it was pretty filthy inside. I clean the collection cup about once a week, but this is the first time I have cleaned the actual body. The skimmer is currently drying, and the tank is running with just 2 powerheads for the next 24 hours.
I took some pictures, but will have to upload them tomorrow.

Re: Sick GSP, possible IP?

Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 7:09 am
by RTR
+1 to Pufferpunk's comment. You do not need that much sand bed w/LR and a decent skimmer.

Re: Sick GSP, possible IP?

Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 10:11 pm
by sbc580
My mistake, the sand is about 1", not 2"-3"
I have done frequent water changes all week and he seems to be doing better.
His black belly still comes and goes though. Any idea what this could be?

Re: Sick GSP, possible IP?

Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 9:38 pm
by sbc580
Update with Pics:

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He seems to be doing better, but still has a black belly. Still eating like crazy I've changed about 25 gallons of water over about a week, while measure my SG with a refractometer.
As you can see, the black belly comes and goes.

Anybody have any ideas why he is still black?

Re: Sick GSP, possible IP?

Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 10:16 pm
by sgtmyers88
Weird, I wonder if some GSP's are just temperamental. I have one that has a black spot on the side of his belly that occasionally goes away but is otherwise usually visible.

Re: Sick GSP, possible IP?

Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 10:36 pm
by sbc580
I have noticed that he is much hungrier then he has ever been. 2-3 weeks ago, before his belly was black, whenever I feed him shrimp he would hide behind the rocks. Now, I've noticed after I feed him he is still going crazy looking for food. Whenever he sees me, he will window surf at the side closest to me. This is a reason why I thought it was a IP.