The Puffer Forum

Hi all -

I am new to puffers and new to this forum, but I have some experience with aquariums in general. I have a 10g tank with two pea puffers living in it. I know that's a little tight for them, but it's well planted and they seem very happy so I think they are ok so far. I created a little snail factory for them - a 2.5g tank downstairs with tons of ramshorns breeding away.

But, I noticed they haven't eaten all the ramshorns I've given them or even all the worms. Last night I checked the tank at 2am and sure enough, there were probably 30+ small MTS working their way up the glass. I have been told that MTS shells are too hard for these little guys, and it's not good for them. So, I was determined to keep them out but somehow they got in

Now I am trying to figure out what to do. I wonder anyone has any opinions on whether MTS are really so bad for the puffers? I could do a few things:

1) Do nothing, not worry about it.

2) Add more ramshorns and try to get them populating in there, and stop feeding the tank otherwise. Then the MTS population should decline somehwat.

3) More aggressive: put out a trap every night and try to pull MTS babies out constantly, and hope that the puffers do the rest. Will they every eliminate all of them? Doubtful

4) Restart the tank!!!

Is it really true that the MTS shells are hard and not good for the puffers? I have the tiniest puffers, the 'pea' puffers and some say that they will be ok with MTS and some don't. Their bellies seem to be full

thanks! I love puffers now! Dave

Don't worry about it dps rarely or never crunch shells. They turn the snail over and slurp. Mts will turn over your substrate and consume left overs, they will also be a food source, if you want the population to decline cut back on feeding. They will not reproduce so fast and the dps will feast on them. Welcome to the forum fella

bertie 83 wrote:Don't worry about it dps rarely or never crunch shells. They turn the snail over and slurp. Mts will turn over your substrate and consume left overs, they will also be a food source, if you want the population to decline cut back on feeding. They will not reproduce so fast and the dps will feast on them. Welcome to the forum fella

Hey that is great to hear! I think what I'll do, then, is something like this:

1) Introduce the ramshorns snails into the tank, and see if they can get a little population going. That will help keep the tank clean, and that will help control the MTS populatoin

2) I will try to be super minimal about feeding them worms and try to leave zero residue, etc. Also that should keep the mts populatoin in check

Is there a concern about over feeding these guys? It seems like with snail population in the tank, they can just eat whenever they want!!

thanks, DAve

If you are getting a big population of unwanted snails you are over feeding, just cut down and let your rams build up in your breeder, you can then feed them rams once the trumpets are right down

bertie 83 wrote:If you are getting a big population of unwanted snails you are over feeding, just cut down and let your rams build up in your breeder, you can then feed them rams once the trumpets are right down

Yea that sounds about right. I might have gotten carried away with the worms. It's so fun to watch these guys eat, I am facinated with them.

They are such good hunters, and as I look at the tank now I can see about 5 live ramshorns (size of a bb) cruising around, and during the night I saw 30 or so MTS which means there are much more So I am wondering if it might be best just to totally stop feeding them the frozen worms for a while and let them graze on the snails for the population to stabilize a bit.

It seems like I can just look at their bellies and tell how hungry they are - right? They aren't hungry today, that's for sure

The MTS are feeding on dying and decaying plants. Slowing feeding will not slow the MTS. I have a heavily planted 55 gallon with 2 albino senegal bichirs, 3 bristlenose plecos, and literally thousands of MTS. They are amazing for cleaning, and turning over your substrate (even though only the surface level). I would not remove them ever. The only time I take some out is to feed my Ceylon... He has powerful jaws and can crush them easily. I do not give any to my Fahaka.

geronimo69 wrote:The MTS are feeding on dying and decaying plants. Slowing feeding will not slow the MTS. I have a heavily planted 55 gallon with 2 albino senegal bichirs, 3 bristlenose plecos, and literally thousands of MTS. They are amazing for cleaning, and turning over your substrate (even though only the surface level). I would not remove them ever. The only time I take some out is to feed my Ceylon... He has powerful jaws and can crush them easily. I do not give any to my Fahaka.

I have other planted tanks and I'm pretty familiar with MTS!
But, will they be harmful to the pea puffers is the question at hand

+1 to the above comments. I too was weary to give MTS to my puffers and I too have a few Pea Puffers as well. They will simply suck or pluck out the snails from their shells. I had reservations feeding some to my larger Green Spotted Puffers but they appeared to have tore the snails apart with little trouble. Its fascinating to watch the puffers work the snails around in their mouths.

Dave-H wrote:

geronimo69 wrote:The MTS are feeding on dying and decaying plants. Slowing feeding will not slow the MTS. I have a heavily planted 55 gallon with 2 albino senegal bichirs, 3 bristlenose plecos, and literally thousands of MTS. They are amazing for cleaning, and turning over your substrate (even though only the surface level). I would not remove them ever. The only time I take some out is to feed my Ceylon... He has powerful jaws and can crush them easily. I do not give any to my Fahaka.

I have other planted tanks and I'm pretty familiar with MTS!
But, will they be harmful to the pea puffers is the question at hand

Sorry, forgot to say, they will not harm the peas!

As Bertie says really, less food = less snails. prune when you notice the decaying leaves. If your plants are decaying excessively then think about your fert regime.

Update on this:

I put some Ramshorns in the tank for the puffers to eat. They eat them, but not as quickly as I thought they would. So, there are a few adult ramshorns cruising around the tank now uneaten. Meanwhile, the MTS seem to have disappeared! Maybe the Ramshorns are out competing them for food or I just never see them during the day or early evening.

There are also 2 yellow neocardina shirimp in the tank, a male and a female and the female is berried.

My question now is:

I am surprised that the puffers aren't eating everything, but they appear healthy enough! Is there any risk they will overfeed in the current scenario? We may have baby snails and shrimp soon!

Once snails realise they are food they start hiding, the rams probably haven't realised yet, when you stir your substrate you will see the mts.

geronimo69 wrote:The only time I take some out is to feed my Ceylon... He has powerful jaws and can crush them easily. I do not give any to my Fahaka.

id love tof ind out if figgy would crunch the smaller ones, but id ont want to risk her breaking her beak on one my 10g has a lot of them, only see them at night.

I would worry more for the MTS,pea puffers can just as easily suck the snails out of those as they can with pond snails and such , at least I believe they can.