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Puffer with Open Red Anus

Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 12:11 pm
by beth777
1) Your water parameters - pH, Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrates and salinity (if appropriate).

pH 8.0 Ammonia 0, nitrities 0, nitrates 10, sg is 1.010 (I got it too high while multi tasking. It's normally about 1.004-1.006. It's been 1.010 for 2 days.) The puffer looks better. I will lower it.

2) Tank size and a list of ALL inhabitants.

30gal. with 4 small black male mollies. The puffer and mollies get along very well, so far.

3) Feeding, water change schedule and a list of all products you are using or have added to the tank

API water conditioner. Marine salt. 50% water change every 2-3 days, whenever the puffer's anus opens big. Feeding shrimp which is the only thing she will accept lately. Although, last night I did get her to accept some krill. She has refused blood worms ever since she got her first bite of shrimp. I know that she can't eat only shrimp.

4) What changes you've made in the tank in the last week or so.

There has been no changes in the tank other than the salinity being a bit too high.

5) How long the aquarium has been set up, and how did you cycle it?

The tank was high bracksih for about 4yrs. My GSP puffer suddenly died and after a week or two I cleaned and cycled with media from 75gal FW tank. I kept the cycle going by constantly moving seeded filters around. After a week or so I missed my GSP puffer so much that I bought 2 figure 8 puffers. Did slow drip to fresh water. The LFS had them in low end brackish. One puffer was a little skinny and the other was nice and round. I was going to do a betta soriority and that's why I had turned the tank into FW. I'm also using a Whisper HOB. I'm planning to get a bigger filter soon.


I bought the 2 F 8 puffers about 5wks. ago. One was a bit skinny with a great appetite and the other was nice and round but not very passionate about eating although he would get a round tummy when he ate. The skinny one would lose her tummy by the next day. I knew she had IPs.

The round one was a nervous fish and his coloring seemed kinda dull. After about 2wks I woke up and found him dead in some bushes. I have no idea what happened. I rubbed his body and felt a knot on the right side of his stomach but that was it.

The remaining puffer's anus keeps opening up and is very red. This has been going on for about 2-3wks. I have treated her with parasite clear 3 times. Soaked her food... Interesting to me is this is the same thing that happened to my original GSP. His anus opened, he got a protruding knot on his chest and quickly died. At one point this F 8 puffer had a huge white thing come out of her anus but I don't know if it was a piece of octopus or a worm. It looked a lot like octopus but that didn't happen with the other F 8 puffer that died. Nothing else has ever come from this puffer's anus again.

The anus will open and be very red. I clean the tank and her chin and stomach turn very dark and the next day the anus will be almost completely closed and the dark coloring gone. Today she is back to playing in the filter out flow. She loves that thing. Her anus is almost closed today but not quiet and I can still see red. If the pattern continues her anus will be back open within a day or two, I will clean the tank and her chin and tummy will turn dark and she will appear to be better but not completely well and the process will go on all over again. The turn for the better is always the day I do the cleaning but the dark chin, tummy and red open anus doesn't leave until the next day. I'm thinking that the dark spots might just be stress from me cleaning her tank. She's pretty friendly to me.

The mollies seem to be great. Playing and dancing through the water all day. The puffer and mollies were put in the tank within a few days of eachother.

I don't know what the heck to do and hopefully you all do.

Oh, I bought some Furan but decided to wait on you guys. I've never used it before. I've never seen this illness before.

Thanks, Beth :)

Re: Puffer with Open Red Anus

Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 12:42 pm
by Nuclear_Glitter
Puffers generally get grumpy during water changes but that doesn't explain her open anus. I think you need to treat for internal parasites, use Jungle fizz tabs though, you still soak with those. Don't feed her krill, it causes lockjaw in puffers. try getting her to eat some snails. Perhaps do another water test. Be sure to shake up the bottles REALLY good. Raising your SG so quickly may have killed your bacteria off.

Re: Puffer with Open Red Anus

Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 12:53 pm
by beth777
I knew about krill and lockjaw and then I could've sworn that I read on here or wetwebmedia to feed that to the F8. Oh well, "maybe" a great every once in a while treat. Can I feed the krill to my cichlids?

I'm concerned about the bacteria too. I'm going to check the water here in a bit.

I've already used the jungle fizz tabs 3x. Should I do it a 4th?

Thanks You...

Nuclear_Glitter wrote:Puffers generally get grumpy during water changes but that doesn't explain her open anus. I think you need to treat for internal parasites, use Jungle fizz tabs though, you still soak with those. Don't feed her krill, it causes lockjaw in puffers. try getting her to eat some snails. Perhaps do another water test. Be sure to shake up the bottles REALLY good. Raising your SG so quickly may have killed your bacteria off.

Re: Puffer with Open Red Anus

Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 12:56 pm
by Nuclear_Glitter
I can't answer your question about cichlids because I have zero experience with them. If you've treated 3 times already I don't think a fourth is needed. I don't really know exactly how to help you until you can get back with some test results. You said your GSP died the same way? What exactly is their diet? List everything you feed them. Also, where did you get the tank? Was it used? Have you used any medications in the tank?

Re: Puffer with Open Red Anus

Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 1:25 pm
by Nuclear_Glitter
Also, you have to get that SG down, it is WAY too high for a fig8.

Re: Puffer with Open Red Anus

Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 1:36 pm
by J-P
treat with Epsom salts.

and keep up the IP treatment

Re: Puffer with Open Red Anus

Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 1:55 pm
by beth777
How much epsom? I'll do another IP treatment after I've cleaned the tank again.

Love your sig and avatar. Is that you? :D

I'm actually an old/new member. I used to hang on here a lot but life carried me away. :D

Thanks A Bunch, Beth :D

J-P wrote:treat with Epsom salts.

and keep up the IP treatment

Re: Puffer with Open Red Anus

Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 2:00 pm
by Nuclear_Glitter
1 tablespoon per 5 gallons, for Epsom salt. Test your water before and after the water change and post us the results.

Re: Puffer with Open Red Anus

Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 2:19 pm
by J-P
beth777 wrote: Is that you? :D

I'm actually an old/new member. I used to hang on here a lot but life carried me away. :D
Yep it is still me. You can thank RTR for the sig.. he got me into the microscopic side of things from which most problems stem.

Nuclear_Glitter is correct on the dosage.

If the puffer passes a sting of pearls ... it is IPs they may be the blockage (as per previous treatments) and the Epsom salts will help with that. Your SG may be a little off but after a water change, monitor and check again. Lets hope it is just a slight (by our standards) blockage.

Re: Puffer with Open Red Anus

Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 5:13 pm
by beth777
I figured it's you. :D

Just got done cleaning the tank. 0 ammonia & nitrites, 5ppm nitrates. I will go now and add more jungle tabs, pre-melted, and the epsom salt.

I must say that she has been more active today than usual. Remember I've only had her about 5wks. so I'm still very much getting to know her. Since losing the other F8 and dealing with this issue I don't feel we've had much of a chance to just hang out and get really aquainted. I'll have to see in a bit if her chin and tummy turn dark again. I'm figuring that's going to be the case when ever I clean the tank. My GSP would just spaz and try to jump out but never turned color. He never liked me at all. :( But I adored him any way.

I hope she's ok. I'm still so heartbroken over my GSP.

I'll keep you all updated and please let me know if you think of anything else.

Thanks to you and Nuclear_Glitter. :D


Yep it is still me. You can thank RTR for the sig.. he got me into the microscopic side of things from which most problems stem.

Nuclear_Glitter is correct on the dosage.

If the puffer passes a sting of pearls ... it is IPs they may be the blockage (as per previous treatments) and the Epsom salts will help with that. Your SG may be a little off but after a water change, monitor and check again. Lets hope it is just a slight (by our standards) blockage.[/quote]

Re: Puffer with Open Red Anus

Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 6:38 pm
by beth777
Big algae bloom. Looks like a big white cloud has descended in there.

:)

Re: Puffer with Open Red Anus

Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 6:45 pm
by beth777
Sorry, meant to say bacterial bloom. The sg is between 7-8 now. I was concerned about taking it back down to the .004-6 after having raised it so far up. I'll keep checking the water. I'm going to be ticked if I've hurt the bacteria. What do you all think? Big trouble?
beth777 wrote:Big algae bloom. Looks like a big white cloud has descended in there.

:)

Re: Puffer with Open Red Anus

Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 9:22 am
by J-P
Keep the SG around .005 max and keep it stable.

Re: Puffer with Open Red Anus

Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 10:24 am
by beth777
If everything remains stable I'll clean the tank on Fri. and lower the sg again. That's my usual cleaning day for the 30 & 75gal. I'm cleaning smaller tanks today.

I saw her for a bit this morn and she looked pretty good. The first thing I do every day is to check on her. Her belly is nice and white and still a bit rounded from last nights dinner. She actually competed with the mollies for dinner. They get their veggies but one of them likes to nibble on what she has. She had been hanging back and allowing her "buddy" to take the food. She sure didn't do that with the other F8. She ate until she was full and then she would allow him to eat.

The anus is a bit open but not red. I finally feel a little encouraged, but we'll see.
J-P wrote:Keep the SG around .005 max and keep it stable.

Re: Puffer with Open Red Anus

Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 10:42 am
by J-P
Good stuff... now we have to see if it will pass what ever is causing the redness.