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marine betta question

Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 2:47 am
by kilofey
dont worry, im not thinking about getting one.... anyway, i just saw one today at a lfs, i never heard of such a thing... it was beautiful though.... i was just wondering, out of pure curiousoty, are their tempraments anything like fw bettas? this is all just out of pure curiousoty of course, when i saw it i was just so amazed at its beauty, i have found a new friend at my lfs lol... hopefully they will have him a while so i can drool over him :lol:

has anyone ever had one? and do you have pix??? id love to see pix :D

Re: marine betta question

Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 5:31 am
by Mek0ng
I have one, I have had it for about 5 years. Let me start by saying its a really cool fish, given the proper tank mates, but VERY shy. My betta is about 8" long, bought at 2", but a good ammount of that is fin so its not the bioload that you would expect, more like 5" body 3"+ fin, at max size.

http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2002-04/hcs3/index.php

Just a few highlights of the article that I can add my personal experience to:
They are slow feeders, often giving their prey a long stare prior to the attack.
That is what makes them incompatible with many of the more commonly kept fish, they will have food stolen from them before they have had a propper ammount of time to 'scare' their food. Yes they try and scare dead krill, mine will even circle the krill once or twice before slurping it down, even now.
The second defense, known as Batesian mimicry, is instinctive behavior that can occasionally be viewed in our tanks. The Comet will dive head first into cover at the first sight of danger. Rather than bury itself and completely hide, the fish will leave his back end viewable. To the potential attacker this looks similar to a Gymnothorax meleagris, the white-mouth moray eel, and usually results in the attacker withdrawing (Lieske, 1999).
Mine will do this often, really if I come up to the tank, and the betta is out and around, more often than not it will.
Prior to purchase ensure you have the proper environment for your Comet. The tank should have numerous crevices which are devoid of light. A cave or an overhang is highly recommended. Brightly lit tanks are not the best option, but as long as dark corners exist your Comet will be fine.
Mine comes out with all 6 T5s on, but still defiantly needs a good cave.
Getting a Comet acclimated to your tank conditions will be the biggest hurdle you'll have to overcome. They acclimate slowly to the aquarium. Once added, they will generally dive deep into your rockwork for up to a week or more. If you want to see your Comet more often during daylight hours, setup a cave or overhang that is devoid of direct light. Choose one corner or the other, not the center of the tank. This should avoid a good percentage of traffic from swimming fish. Avoid any direct light. Light reflected from the sandbed should also be avoided. However, make sure this cave is readily viewable, as you will initially need to sneak up to the tank to observe your Comet. Actinic lights are another great addition for additional viewing of the Comet. With a dawn/dusk photoperiod you'll get to witness the Comet in open water on a timed schedule. They tend to appreciate the softer light that actinics provide, and reward you with extended viewing of your fish.
The actinic lights really make the white spots stand out, really cool looking fish.
Getting your new Comet to accept prepared foods is another tricky part of successfully maintaining this fish. I suggest trying prepared foods first, not live foods. It's probably best that your Comet not become accustomed to live foods unless it becomes necessary to induce a feeding response. Since Comets are night predators, night feeding might be necessary. Feeding during your tank's actinic phase is perfect. Try frozen/thawed mysis or plankton as your first offering. Most fish find this food irresistible. Small frozen/thawed krill or silversides would be another choice, followed by brine shrimp. It may take your Comet a week or more before it takes it's first food. I wouldn't concern myself until two weeks have passed with no feeding observed. Comets have a rather slow metabolism. After two weeks without a confirmed meal, I'd switch to live foods to entice feeding. Live freshwater mollies, ghost or grass shrimp, black worms, or brine shrimp should be fed. I suppose live peppermint shrimp could work as well. Eventually, you'd like to get the Comet weaned towards prepared foods. Long-term diets should include Mysis, plankton, Formula 1™, krill, and silversides.
Mine was rather skinny and only 2" long when I got it, so I fattened it up on gut packed ghost shrimp, it was eating mysis the next day. Now that its full size I feed frozen cubes and enriched krill.
Good tank mates for a Comet would include small wrasses, dwarf angels, grammas, jawfish, larger gobies and blennies, cardinals, and hawkfish, to name a few.
Bettas are VERY shy and in my experience will never fight for food, my six line wrasse would sometimes try to steal food from the bettas mouth. I would avoid any fish that are fast gobbling eaters. Dwarf Lions are a match made in heaven with these fish!!! They share so many traits and are so perfectly compatible that I would think it crazy not to keep them together!

Re: marine betta question

Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 6:01 am
by kilofey
thanks for the info :) it just really struck my curiousoty when i saw one cause it looks somewhat like a fw betta, but oh so different lol. really cool fish IMO

Re: marine betta question

Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 9:27 am
by Pufferpunk
Absolutely no relation at all, other than the name. Just like a clown loach isn't related to clownfish.

Re: marine betta question

Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 9:29 pm
by kilofey
really? cool... lol. im so intrigued by them haha... BUT, they must remain in my dreams lol cause i dont plan on ever going marine... i dont have the fish keeping confidence/knowledge... could learn, but id be scared of crashing the tank :S

Re: marine betta question

Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 10:40 pm
by Brent
IMO SW tanks are made out to be more difficult than they really are. The initial set up seems to be the deterrent keeping us strictly freshwater keepers away, but after that it looks like smoothe sailing.

Why not give it a try? :D

Re: marine betta question

Posted: Sat Mar 20, 2010 2:33 am
by kilofey
id really like to, but dont you have to pre mix the salt in the water? i live in a 750sq ft one bedroom apartment, which doesnt leave much room for tons of mixing buckets laying around the house.... is there a better way?

Re: marine betta question

Posted: Sat Mar 20, 2010 7:07 am
by Mek0ng
In many places you can buy pre-mixed or natural salt water from a LFS...

A nano can make a wonderful 1st saltwater tank, but not sized for puffer or betta, but is more for the size of a beginner tank in an apartment. That being said I had a 80 ree, 55g cichlid, 29 planted and 20g arrowhead in a 900sqft apartment, and mixed my own saltwater with a RO/DI, and had two indoor rabbits and a 55lb border collie.

Check out nano-reef or reef central nano section to get more info (not to take away from puffer forum but just to help). However I would suggest a 40g breeder to be the 1st salt water tank for someone, economically lit, sump not necessary, small enough to not need large/expensive equipment and large enough to be stable... just easier all around.

Re: marine betta question

Posted: Sat Mar 20, 2010 10:55 am
by Pufferpunk
Brent wrote:IMO SW tanks are made out to be more difficult than they really are. The initial set up seems to be the deterrent keeping us strictly freshwater keepers away, but after that it looks like smoothe sailing.

Why not give it a try? :D
+1, initial cost (LR, RR tank, protein skimmer), is more than for FW but my maintenance is much easier.

Re: marine betta question

Posted: Sat Mar 20, 2010 6:00 pm
by kilofey
ooohhhh you guys are making me want one now hahahaha.... dang! ill probably stick with the 2-55 gals and my 16 bow front for now, but as soon as something dies in my tank, you better believe im going SW haha... maybe i will give it a shot, but hopefully nothing will die too soon... i do want to start up a new tank tho, but i kno my apartment manager already doesnt like the fact that i have close to 130gal sitting in a second story apartment lol

i wouldnt get rid of my fahaka, and i wouldnt want to start a 16gal sw tank, so my only other option would be my palembang tank, but i just got him and havent had a chance to enjoy him yet... though he is extremely difficult to feed! what a pain he is for that

my dream SW fish, i dont even know the name of... maybe someone could help me? (sorry for the poor discription) its purple and green and has red horizontal stripes. ive only seen them about an inch long... body shape somewhat like this: http://www.petesfishplace.com/images/da ... hromis.jpg any ideas?

BTW, pufferpunk, what is RR tank, is that reef ready? will a glass tank with silicone sealer work? will the salt eat away at it? (sorry if im making my self look like an idiot, i just really dont know lol)

Re: marine betta question

Posted: Sat Mar 20, 2010 7:59 pm
by Mek0ng
kilofey wrote: my dream SW fish, i dont even know the name of... maybe someone could help me? (sorry for the poor discription) its purple and green and has red horizontal stripes. ive only seen them about an inch long... body shape somewhat like this: http://www.petesfishplace.com/images/da ... hromis.jpg any ideas?
Does it look like this?

Image

Its a green clown goby, max size 1 3/4" (I dont see any purple, but my 1st guess.)

A RR or reef ready tank is a tank with a built in overflow. Essential to having flood proof sump setup. You either buy a tank pre-drilled tank, get it drilled or DIY, or custom made tank.

Re: marine betta question

Posted: Sat Mar 20, 2010 9:57 pm
by kilofey
no :( thats not it... but its very pretty! looks somewhat similar to it, but this one is SUPER vibrant and has dark purple and green in the background.... its definately not a goby... do you need a sump for a 55gal? and whats a sump? im TOTALLY ignorant when it comes to SW set ups :shock: i kno u dont need one for like a 30gal... but whats the cut off to where you need one and whats its purpose?

hehe, this thread is proving to be a very helpful one.... getting some good info i will surely use later when i have a free tank :D

Re: marine betta question

Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2010 12:34 am
by Brent
A sump can benefit any tank.

Re: marine betta question

Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 1:13 am
by Mek0ng
kilofey wrote:no :( thats not it... but its very pretty! looks somewhat similar to it, but this one is SUPER vibrant and has dark purple and green in the background.... its definately not a goby... do you need a sump for a 55gal? and whats a sump? im TOTALLY ignorant when it comes to SW set ups :shock: i kno u dont need one for like a 30gal... but whats the cut off to where you need one and whats its purpose?

hehe, this thread is proving to be a very helpful one.... getting some good info i will surely use later when i have a free tank :D
I wonder if maybe you are thinking of a fairy wrasse, they are SUPER vibrant... Just for fun here is the fish that is going to be the center piece of my 90g:

Image

As far as sumps go, just check out google and look around I am sure with a little work you will find more info than you can shake a stick at...

If you have any specific questions unanswered after that, feel free to ask away!

There is no specific tank size where you need and dont need a sump. Regardless of tank size a sump is always beneficial, even on a 10g.

Either way for a 1st time tank it is recommend to start with at least a 40g and if you are planning on keeping corals, a 40g breeder is perfect because its so shallow you can save $ on lights.

Re: marine betta question

Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 1:53 am
by kilofey
*sigh* no thats not it :( but it too is gorgeous... i think im going to have to research it lol cause now its bugging the heck out of me! tried describing it in google images... but i didnt get any results.... thanks for being so persistant! ur so nice :)