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Rest in peace, Grun...

Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 9:41 pm
by bazil323
So, yesterday I was home sick, and I decided to finally trim Grun's teeth again. For a variety of reasons, his teeth have been a trifle long for a while, and lately, they went beyond okay and really needed to be trimmed. He was able to suck up his food fine, but I could tell he was starting to have trouble opening his mouth to get a good bite. Part of the reason for this was that I had tried to trim his teeth about a year ago and was only able to snip the very tip off his upper teeth before my nerves got to me and had to put him in the fresh tank water to revive him. Coupled with some snail source/breeding difficulties, I knew I had to trim now before he started starving.

I had some clove oil from the first time that I also keep around for euthanizing. Because I didn't plan on manually trimming but instead using foods to keep his and Schnitzel's teeth trim, I didn't bother to spring for the Finquel and thought the 1-2 times I might have to put them under would be safe enough with clove. Well, I meticulously measured out the 3 cups and actually put slightly more than 3 cups to be sure I didn't overdose the clove oil. I carefully made sure to only have 3 drops of clove oil in the approximately 3-1/8 to 3-1/4 cups tankwater with 3 cups fresh tankwater standing by. I scooped him out and placed him in the clove oil water and put the timer for 60 secs (present to make not to over expose him, just hit start) to make sure that I didn't go over the "safe" exposure time. He quickly started swimming head down and about the time the timer went off, he was just starting to look sedated enough to handle. I used an exam glove to handle him because it was hard to deal with the net handle last time. Well, that was a mistake, it so slippery that he would slip into my palm, and I was afraid to grip him hard because he seemed to fragile. I grabbed the net and used that instead to hold him, and I trimmed what I could. I dipped him in the fresh tankwater and made sure the teeth fragments were washed off enough that I could trim a little more. Then I was afraid that it had been over a minute that he was out of water, so I put him back in the fresh tankwater to revive him. Within a few seconds, it was apparent that he was not breathing at all. I then realized that I had probably gotten some clove oil in there from the net and glove from dipping him to rinse, so I dumped as much of that water and replaced it with more tankwater as gently as possible, but it did no good. I waited like 5 minutes, and I even used another net to dangle him in the tank for a bit, but I knew it was hopeless. He'd been not breathing for too long and was dead. I still couldn't give up and let him sit in yet more fresh tankwater for a few more minutes before I had to let go.

I'm so sad! I'd had him for about 2 years, and I'd brought him through my idiocy of buying 2 figure 8s and putting them in an uncycled tank ("what's cycling?" :boggle: ). After all that triumph, I can't believe I made such a stupid mistake that killed him! Ugh! I'm absolutely sick about it.

Re: Rest in peace, Grun...

Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 9:55 pm
by J-P
It hurts when you did all you could . I wish things could have been better :(

Re: Rest in peace, Grun...

Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 9:58 pm
by eieio
:(

Re: Rest in peace, Grun...

Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 10:02 pm
by LilGreenPuffer
I'm sorry. :(

Re: Rest in peace, Grun...

Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 10:40 pm
by Pufferpunk
So sorry... :( You should always put them back in their tank & move them back & forth to wash the O2 from the water over their gills, when they stop breathing for any reason. Worked for several carpet surfers I had.

Re: Rest in peace, Grun...

Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 7:40 am
by pufferpuggirl
Awww... I am very sorry for your loss, that's awful! :(

I'd just like to add something here, as I've been reading other posts by people who have had to trim teeth and worried about using a sedative. My friend trims my puffer's teeth because my sight is not so good and he can see their small little mouths better than I can. The reason I mention this is because my friend doesn't sedate the puffers before he works on them. I thought it sounded silly, until I seen how he does it. He nets them out of the water, but holds them in the net, just above the tank of water, and if they start to puff, he dips them back in, but I couldn't believe how good it went with several of my puffers. I think if anyone can do that, it's going to be better for the puffer because you don't have to worry about over-dosing, or accidental death by making a mistake, etc. I just thought I would add that in case anyone else wants to try trimming without a sedative. :)

Re: Rest in peace, Grun...

Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 11:16 am
by bazil323
PP, I didn't think of moving him around to wash the O2 through the gills until after he'd been out of it for several minutes--when I tried dangling him in the tank and sort of swished the net around a bit gently. It was too late by the time I thought of that.

I keep trying to think of what else I could have done or if I had accidentally gotten more than 3 drops of clove oil in there or what. I'm pretty certain that it was a combination of leaving him in the clove oil for the full minute (even though he was still moving some up until then) and then accidentally transferring some oil into the fresh tankwater container and then not realizing that I had to swish him to get some O2 through his gills. That should've been obvious. I mean, really, if he's clearly not breathing on his own, how would he get O2 through his gills? Duh! :durr: I guess I panicked a bit. At least Schnitzel is fine and his teeth are nowhere near needing trimming. As long as my current snail population gets going, I should be able to stay ahead of it. And if he realizes snails are food. He hasn't realized the 2 hermit crabs are food yet, and they've been in there about 2-1/2 months! I saw Grun trying to nip at their legs once, but they were too quick for him. Schnitzel doesn't seem to realize they exist, lol. Maybe I'll try some more exposed crabs next time.

Re: Rest in peace, Grun...

Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 9:30 pm
by omplmpa3
I'm so sorry bazil323. :grouphug:

Re: Rest in peace, Grun...

Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 9:34 pm
by Pufferfreak42
So sorry for your loss.

Re: Rest in peace, Grun...

Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 9:55 pm
by PolishPuff
:rip: sorry for your loss