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Sick GSP. The Curse of the Incurable Ich! Help Please.

Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 8:41 pm
by CheesePuff
I recently purchased two 1 and a half inch GSP's from the local pet store. I have a 3 gallon tank whose only inhabitants are 2 GSP's. I’ve added the proper amount of aquarium salt and purchased a heater that is currently set at 79 F. Everything went great for the first week until I noticed white spots. The fish were scraping themselves against everything in the aquarium when they were not simply sitting on the bottom of the tank, seeming to be having difficulty breathing. I did a little research and found this to be Ich. I went out and bought "QuICK Cure" Ich treatment and followed the directions on the back. It said to add 2 drops to my tank for 3 days. After this, the fish were seeming to be a little more lively, but still had the spots and occasionally scraping themselves against stuff. I did more research and was advised to continue the treatment for 11 more days, but only add ONE drop. I did this and the fish were finally doing better butSTILLthe white spots.

2 days ago I took them off the medication and they are again sitting on the bottom with the white spots. They still come up for food with a little coaxing. They eat Freeze Dried Blood Worms and the occasional snail or 2. Does anyone have any advice? I'm not sure what to do. It hasn’t been 6 weeks so I haven’t done a water change yet. Is this the problem? Was I maybe not using the proper medication? Im running out of ideas. Any help is GREATLY appreciated.

Re: Sick GSP. The Curse of the Incurable Ich! Help Please.

Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 9:51 pm
by LilGreenPuffer
Welcome to the forum! You're in the right place for help.

Okay, I think we need to start from square one here. First, your fish don't have enough space. They're probably very stressed out, and stress prevents their recovery. GSPs require a bare minimum of 30g each. Also, they are brackish fish. They require some salt in the water. I see that you have added aquarium salt. Unfortunately, this doesn't work. It is actually a medicinal salt. You will need to turn the tank brackish with marine salt. If you do this, it will actually help cure the ich. Here's an article and a species profile that you will need to read.
library/puffers-in-focus/an-introductio ... d-puffers/
ug.php/v/PufferPedia/Brackish/T_Nigroviridis/

On to the ich. Changes in salinity will cure ich. However, it takes a month. This is the only way that you should ever treat ich in puffers. They are extremely sensitive to medication. The salt you are using right now is helping, but it must be coupled with water changes and thorough gravel-vaccuuming every other day for the entire month. Here's an article on treating ich.
library/hospital/fwich/

Finally, your tank is still cycling. This is extremely dangerous, and it is very stressful for the fish. This also prevents their healing. Go and do an 80% water change right now, and then read these articles. They'll help you understand what I'm talking about.
library/water-filtration/emergencycycle/
library/water-filtration/fishless-cycling/

Later on, we'll need to talk about proper diet.

Here's a plan of action for you:
-Go out and purchase a bigger tank. It should be at least, say, 20g for now. You'll eventually need a minimum of 60g, but if you can't afford it now, you can go smaller for the time being.
-Also, purchase a bottle of Tetra SafeStart. This will instantly perform the cycling process.
-Finally, purchase a test kit. You need to test for ammonia, nitrites, and nitrates. The API Freshwater Master kit is great. Don't get the kind that is on paper strips - get bottles and test tubes.
-Once you've got the tank and cycling dealt with, we can move on to the ich treatment. You must begin raising the salinity of the water, very slowly. This salt will have the same effect as the aquarium salt mentioned in the ich treatment article. When you are ready to begin this, someone else will be able to explain it better than I. For the salinity part of our plan, you'll need a hydrometer or a refractometer, to measure the salinity, and marine salt, like you would use for salt water, like Instant Ocean.

Someone else may have a better plan than me, so wait for one of the experts to confirm this for you!

I know that this is a lot to drop on you. Believe me. I've been there. Do ALL of the reading I've provided you with.

Re: Sick GSP. The Curse of the Incurable Ich! Help Please.

Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 10:07 pm
by Bluntokian
Not trying to start the process, But you do know they need 30 gallons each full grown, Right?

I dont want people climbing on your back about it, Just want to make sure you know.

As for the ich, Im not comfortable with giving and opinion. Good luck though.

Re: Sick GSP. The Curse of the Incurable Ich! Help Please.

Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 10:11 pm
by LilGreenPuffer
I told her about the 30g thing. :)

Re: Sick GSP. The Curse of the Incurable Ich! Help Please.

Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 1:10 am
by Pufferpunk
Great advise, LGP! How'd you kow she was a her?

Re: Sick GSP. The Curse of the Incurable Ich! Help Please.

Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 1:25 am
by LilGreenPuffer
She colored her text. Guys don't do that.

Re: Sick GSP. The Curse of the Incurable Ich! Help Please.

Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 1:27 am
by Pufferpunk
Wow, you're good! Sure you're not a psych major?

Re: Sick GSP. The Curse of the Incurable Ich! Help Please.

Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 1:27 am
by LilGreenPuffer
I'm psychic.

Re: Sick GSP. The Curse of the Incurable Ich! Help Please.

Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 2:31 am
by Dadof4
LilGreenPuffer wrote:I'm psychic.
Let me fix that for ya' : I'm Psychotic."

Re: Sick GSP. The Curse of the Incurable Ich! Help Please.

Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 2:43 am
by LilGreenPuffer
That, too. :D

Okay, whoops, we're hijacking the topic... Did I seriously have to tell off the queen admin and a mod for getting off-topic? :badboy:

Re: Sick GSP. The Curse of the Incurable Ich! Help Please.

Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 12:23 pm
by Pufferpunk
Yeah, I know but the OP disappeared...

Re: Sick GSP. The Curse of the Incurable Ich! Help Please.

Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 12:31 pm
by LilGreenPuffer
Hopefully she'll be back later today.

Re: Sick GSP. The Curse of the Incurable Ich! Help Please.

Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 2:42 pm
by Bluntokian
Hopefully.

Also sorry bout that LGP, Didnt check for other posts after I posted it. Wasnt anything there before.

Re: Sick GSP. The Curse of the Incurable Ich! Help Please.

Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 7:13 pm
by CheesePuff
Thanks to everyone for the great advice :) I did a water change and theyre already doing better. Im taking care of everything else tomorrow when i get make a trip to the pet store.

Re: Sick GSP. The Curse of the Incurable Ich! Help Please.

Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 7:22 pm
by Bluntokian
CheesePuff wrote:Thanks to everyone for the great advice :) I did a water change and theyre already doing better. Im taking care of everything else tomorrow when i get make a trip to the pet store.
Cheers. Glad to hear it.