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Re: Young GSP's in full marine?

Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 6:36 am
by jmanglona
Get a GSP scientist to tell you what works and what doesnt (brackish water in general). But wait there arent any here. Feed them as much variety as you can...and what you can afford. They will live happily probably better than where you got them from. Take much with a grain of salt. Big aquarium and meaty food should do you fine. Oh yeah, and alot of filtration. Plain and simple.

Re: Young GSP's in full marine?

Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 12:18 pm
by Pufferpunk
Actually, many of our Mentors here ARE scientists. ;)

Re: Young GSP's in full marine?

Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 1:09 pm
by geronimo69
Pufferpunk wrote:Actually, many of our Mentors here ARE scientists. ;)

That's right!

The rest of us (mainly me) are just self proclaimed "know-it-alls" :P

Re: Young GSP's in full marine?

Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 3:57 pm
by mrswiss420
I have friends with medium-large GSP's (one small one) and they say their fish do AMAZING in full marine...regardless of maturity


Here is my GSP in his 30gal with a specific gravity of ~1.010 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxDKwL2rWjM

Re: Young GSP's in full marine?

Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 5:23 pm
by purplecandle
jmanglona wrote:Get a GSP scientist to tell you what works and what doesnt (brackish water in general). But wait there arent any here. Feed them as much variety as you can...and what you can afford. They will live happily probably better than where you got them from. Take much with a grain of salt. Big aquarium and meaty food should do you fine. Oh yeah, and alot of filtration. Plain and simple.
:geezer: <-- This is what one of our scientists looks like

Re: Young GSP's in full marine?

Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 11:19 pm
by FADE2BLACK_1973
purplecandle wrote:
jmanglona wrote:Get a GSP scientist to tell you what works and what doesnt (brackish water in general). But wait there arent any here. Feed them as much variety as you can...and what you can afford. They will live happily probably better than where you got them from. Take much with a grain of salt. Big aquarium and meaty food should do you fine. Oh yeah, and alot of filtration. Plain and simple.
:geezer: <-- This is what one of our scientists looks like

HAHAHAHA!!! that's too funny, PC..... :lol:

Re: Young GSP's in full marine?

Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 11:22 pm
by FADE2BLACK_1973
geronimo69 wrote:
Pufferpunk wrote:Actually, many of our Mentors here ARE scientists. ;)

That's right!

The rest of us (mainly me) are just self proclaimed "know-it-alls" :P
HAHAHA! now that's funny too...lol. Well at least you admit it and don't forget a forum rebel..lol.

Re: Young GSP's in full marine?

Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2011 5:06 am
by jmanglona
The life span of a GSP has minimal requirements from what I have researched. I have read of GSPs dying prematurely from both marine and brackish conditions. So what exactly kills these fish.

I don't know. I'm not an expert , and I don't claim to be one. But the best bet is to RESEARCH, not just within this forum, but from much general research throughout the web. Just as people go from one doctor to anothor seeking out various opinions, so should serious fish keepers. Opinions should be taken lightly.

Sure there are people with more knowledge than others in this forum, but that in no way qualifies them as an expert. Not even actual EXPERTS may have an answer.

I think the best advice you can be given is to research, research, and rearch some more, and become your own expert.

Re: Young GSP's in full marine?

Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2011 12:59 pm
by Pufferpunk
My guess those puffers died of poor water conditions, than anything else. You start going to other forums, you're going to get a lot of bad advice. We have a group here of the top pufferkeepers in the world. Especially the Mentors, who many are highly published scientists.

Re: Young GSP's in full marine?

Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2011 2:49 pm
by mrswiss420
Pufferpunk wrote:My guess those puffers died of poor water conditions, than anything else. You start going to other forums, you're going to get a lot of bad advice. We have a group here of the top pufferkeepers in the world. Especially the Mentors, who many are highly published scientists.

That's right! We are all geniuses!

Re: Young GSP's in full marine?

Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2011 8:51 pm
by FADE2BLACK_1973
jmanglona wrote:The life span of a GSP has minimal requirements from what I have researched. I have read of GSPs dying prematurely from both marine and brackish conditions. So what exactly kills these fish.

I don't know. I'm not an expert , and I don't claim to be one. But the best bet is to RESEARCH, not just within this forum, but from much general research throughout the web. Just as people go from one doctor to anothor seeking out various opinions, so should serious fish keepers. Opinions should be taken lightly.

Sure there are people with more knowledge than others in this forum, but that in no way qualifies them as an expert. Not even actual EXPERTS may have an answer.

I think the best advice you can be given is to research, research, and rearch some more, and become your own expert.

Well Im sure not an expert but do like to help others if I feel like I can help. I do alot of reseaching myself and always did. That's why I joined this forum because it is the best puffer site on here after reseaching alot and found the most and best info from this site, imo. I always believed the best advice are from more experienced keepers. I believe there are alot here. Not trying to suck up to anyone because I have my disagreements here on certain subjects at times while agreeing on others at other times.

Re: Young GSP's in full marine?

Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 12:06 am
by purplecandle
So many Faults in Logic!
jmanglona wrote:The life span of a GSP has minimal requirements from what I have researched. I have read of GSPs dying prematurely from both marine and brackish conditions. So what exactly kills these fish. - So fish dying is proof of nothing or something, which is it? How are we supposed to determine that salinity had anything to do with their deaths?

I don't know. I'm not an expert , and I don't claim to be one. That's why your opinion on GSP water chemistry is erroneous. But the best bet is to RESEARCH, not just within this forum, but from much general research throughout the web. Just as people go from one doctor to anothor seeking out various opinions-Yes, but when the doctors agree we have a diagnosis!, so should serious fish keepers.- That is what experts here did, research in fancy places like labs and in the wild. Opinions should be taken lightly. Opinions should be taken lightly, but opinions based on sciences, facts, observation, and tested theories are a little bit different than plain ol' opinions.

Sure there are people with more knowledge than others in this forum, but that in no way qualifies them as an expert- Yes it does. Definition of expert "having or showing knowledge and skill and aptitude". What did you think an expert was? Not even actual EXPERTS may have an answer. True, but most of the time they do, which is why they are experts.

I think the best advice you can be given is to research, research, and rearch some more, and become your own expert. This I can agree with, however, experts are still needed for self-education. Where should self-educators get their information? Perhaps they should ignore the work of others and just make stuff up?

Re: Young GSP's in full marine?

Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 12:13 am
by mrswiss420
purplecandle wrote:So many Faults in Logic!
jmanglona wrote:The life span of a GSP has minimal requirements from what I have researched. I have read of GSPs dying prematurely from both marine and brackish conditions. So what exactly kills these fish. - So fish dying is proof of nothing or something, which is it? How are we supposed to determine that salinity had anything to do with their deaths?

I don't know. I'm not an expert , and I don't claim to be one. That's why your opinion on GSP water chemistry is erroneous. But the best bet is to RESEARCH, not just within this forum, but from much general research throughout the web. Just as people go from one doctor to anothor seeking out various opinions-Yes, but when the doctors agree we have a diagnosis!, so should serious fish keepers.- That is what experts here did, research in fancy places like labs and in the wild. Opinions should be taken lightly. Opinions should be taken lightly, but opinions based on sciences, facts, observation, and tested theories are a little bit different than plain ol' opinions.

Sure there are people with more knowledge than others in this forum, but that in no way qualifies them as an expert- Yes it does. Definition of expert "having or showing knowledge and skill and aptitude". What did you think an expert was? Not even actual EXPERTS may have an answer. True, but most of the time they do, which is why they are experts.

I think the best advice you can be given is to research, research, and rearch some more, and become your own expert. This I can agree with, however, experts are still needed for self-education. Where should self-educators get their information? Perhaps they should ignore the work of others and just make stuff up?


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Re: Young GSP's in full marine?

Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 12:18 am
by Pufferpunk
LOL, PC--RIGHT ON!!!

Re: Young GSP's in full marine?

Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 12:31 pm
by Mac Myers
I've just been introduced to the world of puffers and after much independent research and time on every site I could find remotely pufferish.... I can confidently state that this site has better info, more info agreed upon by more experienced keepers, better info, better info, more info, and better info. There are more contributing members with IQ's above average and less 40 watt bulbs in 100 watt sockets. Oh... and better info. The fewer experienced members the smaller the knowledge pool and the increased chance that the pool is actually empty. Which means info that is not better.

I'm bailing on the other sites. Because this site has better info.