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excellent post! Very thoughtful and insightful.


Of course this is a "belief systems" argument and that is not surmounted easily, even in our own language; never-mind breaking a language barrier. I don't want to change anyone's belief system, but I hope that others would understand where mine stem from and either share them, or dismiss them. It is fine.

You would choose to spend time with your family because that is what is currently lacking at the moment. That is a very valid point. I know people who what to earn more "money" because they want to watch more television. That is something they enjoy and can't do because of the day to day trivialities. They just don't have enough time, money or resources. That is a trivial thing we take for granted.

Iliveinazoo wrote: There needs to be a driver to ensure that people build homes for others

nope... it can be automated

Iliveinazoo wrote:that people develop medicines

nope .. ppl develop these to "help" others, it is the pharmaceutic companies that profit from them.. They are not initiated with the "i'm going to be rich" wall street mentality.

Iliveinazoo wrote: provide the food and clothes that we buy at the shops

Nope, only the designers are the money makers the actual workers are minimum wage slaves and that too can be automated.

Iliveinazoo wrote: The majority of people will not go out to work as they do now if the person living next door has the same house and garden and does nothing to contribute to society.

Possibly, there in lies a fundamental flaw. The guy who stock the shelves at a grocery store day in and day out, is working less than say a movie star? Or a doctor? The guy who takes your trash is less valuable than the stock broker?

I recently read that an elite athlete gets paid the way they do because of the face that "we" love them. We love to watch them and as a collective result that athlete gets paid a premium (of course we can't omit the owners). So?
I LOVE my showers... I think my utility company is gouging me enough but not anywhere near NFL athletes are getting paid. What about your job... if no one were to do it.. I could live without NFL... what about electricity? We seem to have the entertainment vs. necessities salaries backwards. JHFC!!! We are paying the people that sustain our lives and teach us the most, the absolute LEAST. And for some reason that has become an acceptable norm.

I like to believe that everyone has something to contribute. We are all integral blocks in a society and each should be valued. No one is "worth" more than another, unless someone "chooses" to be unproductive. That is a very RARE minority. I also feel that no one should be limited to what they should be able to accomplish because of race, monetary status, sex, birth place or age. I believe that if you eliminate the monetary portion of the equation, you will have more productive members of society who are willing to "go the distance".

I would love to study molecular biology... but I can't. I can't pay. There is another person out that that would love to study jet propulsion engines. They can't because because they lack the funds. The list goes on and on... as does the travesty of the "who you know and not what you know"...

BTW.. have you seen this yet:
http://www.invertplanet.com/forum/videos/14/home.html

it is tragic and hopeful at the same time.

As far as technology goes,

http://www.invertplanet.com/forum/f29/v ... tml#post78


I didn't choose the music.. don't blame me

On an ending to this post... I hate throwing out food. Working in a grocery store we throw out about 5% weekly. Working previously in fast food.. we throw out about 1% daily. If we are above that we "don't know our market" and if below that "we are serving sub par product". That is all B.S. Compound that with the amount of waste we produce at the distribution level and at the home level and you can see our lifestyle is not sustainable. Eliminate the waste, streamline production, reduce costs. The opposite is true in this economy which is buy, buy, buy (waste, waste, waste).

LilGreenPuffer wrote:And China and North Korea were communist countries, not socialist.

You are right, China and North Korea is communist countries. But anyways sorry for the arguements. It is just my opiniun and nothing else and I dont want anyone look at me any different because of it. Sorry LilGreenPuffer for giving you such a hard time because of my political views. Just going to stop here on this thread.

You didn't "give me a hard time" - it's my personality; I get fired up about social justice (as I perceive it, anyway) pretty easily.

I'm glad this thread has remained civil.

Haha, Jeni's seen my Facebook posts on this subject. NOT so civil. Fortunately, I don't have to be moderate there.

Sigh...... Fringe wackos. Taking a poo on an American flag is counterproductive and utterly ignoring the point of the protest. The idea is to protest Wall Street ethics, not American itself - we need to improve the country we love, not take a dump on its iconic symbol! I guess every group has its crazies...

I hadn't read about that one yet. Those turds... you are absolutely correct.

We had our union meeting the other day... ohh I just had to vent..

http://www.invertplanet.com/forum/entry.php?b=47&bt=59

explicit language.

you have to scroll down past the first old entry...

What do you do at/for Loblaws? I've got a friend who just got a job there doing quality control.

Currently I am the night crew chief, but I am also the pricing analyst, and CAO (computer assisted orderer).

Since the company went CAO, we control the inventory and ordering and the managers can focus on the scheduling and specials. They are also talking about eliminating the managers because the CAO (at minimum wage) can fulfill that function. Keep in mind that these are franchised stores so that eliminated money goes directly to the owner and head office.