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Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 6:58 pm
by Pufferpunk
I wonder if he said to turn up the heat that high, because he's used to dealing w/discus that are generally kept at 84-86?

Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 7:52 pm
by Rusty
PP the reasoning behind raising the temp

1is that it increases the fish's metabolism,and immune system.
2 the life cycles of certain parasites is greatly accelerated, this allows you to speed the cure, and gives them less time to infest the fish.
:wink:

Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 9:05 pm
by Pufferpunk
I understand all that but maybe a regular puffer/fish wouldn't need it as high as discus, since they're already kept so much higher than most tropicals.

Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 11:52 pm
by The Fisherman
well, my LFS was all out of any form of metro..... :(

But I had to go away tonight (one of my best friends going away partys), and my dad stopped at a pet store. he said there were three forms of metro, and unfortuneatly im not sure he picked the right one.

its by Jungle, and is called "Internal Parasite Guard". it says that it "clears internal parasites".

unfortuneatly no percentage on ingredients, but here is the list: sodium chloride, metronidazole, praziquantel.

it also says it has an ingredient known to the state of california to cause cancer :shock:

it says to add it to the water, and that it is not to be used in fishes food.

what do you guys think? use it in the water or look for soemthing else?

I think I shall raise the temp to 86 degrees.

I hesitate to use any antibiotics. correct me if i'm wrong, but wouldnt even small doses of furan(im not even sure what that is lol) cause my tank to recycle?

I have not been able to find B-S in my area...

Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 12:04 am
by Pufferpunk
Keep w/Melafix as an antibiotic.

Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 12:14 am
by The Fisherman
Pufferpunk wrote:Keep w/Melafix as an antibiotic.
ok, will do.

any ideas about the med I picked up? think I should treat with it, or wait to see if I find something else. it is something you put in the water.

Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 12:02 pm
by lisalisa
The Fisherman wrote: it also says it has an ingredient known to the state of california to cause cancer :shock:
Everything is known to cause cancer in California, lol.

Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 12:11 pm
by The Fisherman
lol LL

i'm going to go ahead and treat with the parasite med that I got. Flutter isnt exactly doing awsomely, and clearly isnt himself. I sure hope hexamita is the correct diagnosis, and that the med I got will fix it...


I really wish that my LFS hadnt been out of vita-chem. i'm gonna call every pet store in town today.

Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 2:24 pm
by Pufferoni
Hey Fisherman,did you get my pm about the hith article.

Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 3:41 pm
by The Fisherman
Pufferoni wrote:Hey Fisherman,did you get my pm about the hith article.
yup I did. thanks!

Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 4:07 pm
by CHEWAL:
The parasite guard has metro in it It is very close to hex o mite it also has some prazi which will kill gill flukes and intestinal tape worm the reason for the high temp with metro is that is really does not become a very active ingredient until 90 degrees

Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 4:16 pm
by The Fisherman
CHEWAL: wrote:The parasite guard has metro in it It is very close to hex o mite it also has some prazi which will kill gill flukes and intestinal tape worm the reason for the high temp with metro is that is really does not become a very active ingredient until 90 degrees
ok, so I will continue to use it in the water? (im not sure if its ok to put in the food...it says not to on the bottle though)

i'll continue to use the melafix as well.

and i'll raise the tempto 90 over the next couple of days. its at 84 degrees, but I dont want to raise it too much all at once.

Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 11:49 pm
by Pufferpunk
Don't forget to add an airstone then.

Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 12:13 am
by Rusty
Hey

PP sorry i misunderstood you. :oops:


Lisa lol, i think just about everything especially the air in L.A :lol:

Chewal, great info where could i pick up that info? i have a couple good books , but am always looking for more.

TFM i hope all is going well,sounds like we are at the part were we wait and see what happens. don't forget to remove any activated carbon before dosing thew water.

Get better flutter!!!! :wink:

Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 12:24 pm
by The Fisherman
ok, cmon now, im not that stupid lol, I removed the carbon and added an airstone.

temp is up to 86-87 degrees.

Flutter is back to breathinh hard again.... its like he is breathing twice as fast and he keeps his mouth wide open.

he has some weird white fuzzy stuff coming out of his anus, similar to the stuff that comes out his pimples. the solid stuff that comes out his pimples eventually turns fuzzy too.

I got a picture of his poo, and man is it a crappy picture! (pun intended) it was kinda stringy, so I wanted to post it to see if you guys thought it was stringy enough for him to have parasites. as a note, this is NOT the white fuzzy stuff I was talking about. the one bump that he had when he started breathing hard a few days ago is almost gone. but thats happend many times before.....

the crappy pic:Image