Flutter's not doing so good...
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Read this before posting!!
Since this board has been up, we have found there are several questions that routinely get asked in order to help diagnose problems. If you can have that information to begin with in your post, we'll be able to help right away (if we can!) without having to wait for you to post the info we need.
1) Your water parameters - pH, Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrates and salinity (if appropriate). This is by far the most important information you can provide! Do not answer this with "Fine" "Perfect" "ok", that tells us nothing. We need hard numbers.
2) Tank size and a list of ALL inhabitants. Include algae eaters, plecos, everything. We need to know what you have and how big the tank is.
3) Feeding, water change schedule and a list of all products you are using or have added to the tank (examples: Cycle, Amquel, salt, etc)
4) What changes you've made in the tank in the last week or so. Sometimes its the little things that make all the difference.
5) How long the aquarium has been set up, and how did you cycle it? If you don't know what cycling is read this: Fishless Cycling Article and familiarize yourself with all the information. Yes. All of it.
We want to help, and providing this information will go a LONG way to getting a diagnosis and hopeful cure that much faster.
While you wait for assistance:
One of the easiest and best ways to help your fish feel better is clean water! If you are already on a regular water change schedule (50% weekly is recommended) a good step to making your fish more comfortable while waiting for diagnosis/suggestions is to do a large water change immediately. Feel free to repeat daily or as often as you can, clean water is always a good thing! Use of Amquel or Prime as a dechlor may help with any ammonia or nitrite issues, and is highly recommended.
Note - if you do not normally do large water changes, doing a sudden, large water change could shock your fish by suddenly changing their established water chemistry. Clean water is still your first goal, so in this case, do several smaller (10%) water changes over the next day or two before starting any large ones.
Read this before posting!!
Since this board has been up, we have found there are several questions that routinely get asked in order to help diagnose problems. If you can have that information to begin with in your post, we'll be able to help right away (if we can!) without having to wait for you to post the info we need.
1) Your water parameters - pH, Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrates and salinity (if appropriate). This is by far the most important information you can provide! Do not answer this with "Fine" "Perfect" "ok", that tells us nothing. We need hard numbers.
2) Tank size and a list of ALL inhabitants. Include algae eaters, plecos, everything. We need to know what you have and how big the tank is.
3) Feeding, water change schedule and a list of all products you are using or have added to the tank (examples: Cycle, Amquel, salt, etc)
4) What changes you've made in the tank in the last week or so. Sometimes its the little things that make all the difference.
5) How long the aquarium has been set up, and how did you cycle it? If you don't know what cycling is read this: Fishless Cycling Article and familiarize yourself with all the information. Yes. All of it.
We want to help, and providing this information will go a LONG way to getting a diagnosis and hopeful cure that much faster.
While you wait for assistance:
One of the easiest and best ways to help your fish feel better is clean water! If you are already on a regular water change schedule (50% weekly is recommended) a good step to making your fish more comfortable while waiting for diagnosis/suggestions is to do a large water change immediately. Feel free to repeat daily or as often as you can, clean water is always a good thing! Use of Amquel or Prime as a dechlor may help with any ammonia or nitrite issues, and is highly recommended.
Note - if you do not normally do large water changes, doing a sudden, large water change could shock your fish by suddenly changing their established water chemistry. Clean water is still your first goal, so in this case, do several smaller (10%) water changes over the next day or two before starting any large ones.
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I wonder if he said to turn up the heat that high, because he's used to dealing w/discus that are generally kept at 84-86?
You are getting sleepy... you only hear the sound of my voice... you must do water changes... water changes... water changes... water changes...
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PP the reasoning behind raising the temp
1is that it increases the fish's metabolism,and immune system.
2 the life cycles of certain parasites is greatly accelerated, this allows you to speed the cure, and gives them less time to infest the fish.
1is that it increases the fish's metabolism,and immune system.
2 the life cycles of certain parasites is greatly accelerated, this allows you to speed the cure, and gives them less time to infest the fish.
Old fishermen never die, they just smell that way.
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I understand all that but maybe a regular puffer/fish wouldn't need it as high as discus, since they're already kept so much higher than most tropicals.
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You are getting sleepy... you only hear the sound of my voice... you must do water changes... water changes... water changes... water changes...
"The solution to pollution is dilution!"
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well, my LFS was all out of any form of metro..... 
But I had to go away tonight (one of my best friends going away partys), and my dad stopped at a pet store. he said there were three forms of metro, and unfortuneatly im not sure he picked the right one.
its by Jungle, and is called "Internal Parasite Guard". it says that it "clears internal parasites".
unfortuneatly no percentage on ingredients, but here is the list: sodium chloride, metronidazole, praziquantel.
it also says it has an ingredient known to the state of california to cause cancer
it says to add it to the water, and that it is not to be used in fishes food.
what do you guys think? use it in the water or look for soemthing else?
I think I shall raise the temp to 86 degrees.
I hesitate to use any antibiotics. correct me if i'm wrong, but wouldnt even small doses of furan(im not even sure what that is lol) cause my tank to recycle?
I have not been able to find B-S in my area...
But I had to go away tonight (one of my best friends going away partys), and my dad stopped at a pet store. he said there were three forms of metro, and unfortuneatly im not sure he picked the right one.
its by Jungle, and is called "Internal Parasite Guard". it says that it "clears internal parasites".
unfortuneatly no percentage on ingredients, but here is the list: sodium chloride, metronidazole, praziquantel.
it also says it has an ingredient known to the state of california to cause cancer
it says to add it to the water, and that it is not to be used in fishes food.
what do you guys think? use it in the water or look for soemthing else?
I think I shall raise the temp to 86 degrees.
I hesitate to use any antibiotics. correct me if i'm wrong, but wouldnt even small doses of furan(im not even sure what that is lol) cause my tank to recycle?
I have not been able to find B-S in my area...
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lol LL
i'm going to go ahead and treat with the parasite med that I got. Flutter isnt exactly doing awsomely, and clearly isnt himself. I sure hope hexamita is the correct diagnosis, and that the med I got will fix it...
I really wish that my LFS hadnt been out of vita-chem. i'm gonna call every pet store in town today.
i'm going to go ahead and treat with the parasite med that I got. Flutter isnt exactly doing awsomely, and clearly isnt himself. I sure hope hexamita is the correct diagnosis, and that the med I got will fix it...
I really wish that my LFS hadnt been out of vita-chem. i'm gonna call every pet store in town today.
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ok, so I will continue to use it in the water? (im not sure if its ok to put in the food...it says not to on the bottle though)CHEWAL: wrote:The parasite guard has metro in it It is very close to hex o mite it also has some prazi which will kill gill flukes and intestinal tape worm the reason for the high temp with metro is that is really does not become a very active ingredient until 90 degrees
i'll continue to use the melafix as well.
and i'll raise the tempto 90 over the next couple of days. its at 84 degrees, but I dont want to raise it too much all at once.
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Hey
PP sorry i misunderstood you.
Lisa lol, i think just about everything especially the air in L.A
Chewal, great info where could i pick up that info? i have a couple good books , but am always looking for more.
TFM i hope all is going well,sounds like we are at the part were we wait and see what happens. don't forget to remove any activated carbon before dosing thew water.
Get better flutter!!!!
PP sorry i misunderstood you.
Lisa lol, i think just about everything especially the air in L.A
Chewal, great info where could i pick up that info? i have a couple good books , but am always looking for more.
TFM i hope all is going well,sounds like we are at the part were we wait and see what happens. don't forget to remove any activated carbon before dosing thew water.
Get better flutter!!!!
Old fishermen never die, they just smell that way.
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ok, cmon now, im not that stupid lol, I removed the carbon and added an airstone.
temp is up to 86-87 degrees.
Flutter is back to breathinh hard again.... its like he is breathing twice as fast and he keeps his mouth wide open.
he has some weird white fuzzy stuff coming out of his anus, similar to the stuff that comes out his pimples. the solid stuff that comes out his pimples eventually turns fuzzy too.
I got a picture of his poo, and man is it a crappy picture! (pun intended) it was kinda stringy, so I wanted to post it to see if you guys thought it was stringy enough for him to have parasites. as a note, this is NOT the white fuzzy stuff I was talking about. the one bump that he had when he started breathing hard a few days ago is almost gone. but thats happend many times before.....
the crappy pic:
temp is up to 86-87 degrees.
Flutter is back to breathinh hard again.... its like he is breathing twice as fast and he keeps his mouth wide open.
he has some weird white fuzzy stuff coming out of his anus, similar to the stuff that comes out his pimples. the solid stuff that comes out his pimples eventually turns fuzzy too.
I got a picture of his poo, and man is it a crappy picture! (pun intended) it was kinda stringy, so I wanted to post it to see if you guys thought it was stringy enough for him to have parasites. as a note, this is NOT the white fuzzy stuff I was talking about. the one bump that he had when he started breathing hard a few days ago is almost gone. but thats happend many times before.....
the crappy pic: