I thought puffers don't have swim bladdersWalrus Head wrote:It could be a Swim Bladder Infection
Sick Fahaka Puffer
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Note - if you do not normally do large water changes, doing a sudden, large water change could shock your fish by suddenly changing their established water chemistry. Clean water is still your first goal, so in this case, do several smaller (10%) water changes over the next day or two before starting any large ones.
Read this before posting!!
Since this board has been up, we have found there are several questions that routinely get asked in order to help diagnose problems. If you can have that information to begin with in your post, we'll be able to help right away (if we can!) without having to wait for you to post the info we need.
1) Your water parameters - pH, Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrates and salinity (if appropriate). This is by far the most important information you can provide! Do not answer this with "Fine" "Perfect" "ok", that tells us nothing. We need hard numbers.
2) Tank size and a list of ALL inhabitants. Include algae eaters, plecos, everything. We need to know what you have and how big the tank is.
3) Feeding, water change schedule and a list of all products you are using or have added to the tank (examples: Cycle, Amquel, salt, etc)
4) What changes you've made in the tank in the last week or so. Sometimes its the little things that make all the difference.
5) How long the aquarium has been set up, and how did you cycle it? If you don't know what cycling is read this: Fishless Cycling Article and familiarize yourself with all the information. Yes. All of it.
We want to help, and providing this information will go a LONG way to getting a diagnosis and hopeful cure that much faster.
While you wait for assistance:
One of the easiest and best ways to help your fish feel better is clean water! If you are already on a regular water change schedule (50% weekly is recommended) a good step to making your fish more comfortable while waiting for diagnosis/suggestions is to do a large water change immediately. Feel free to repeat daily or as often as you can, clean water is always a good thing! Use of Amquel or Prime as a dechlor may help with any ammonia or nitrite issues, and is highly recommended.
Note - if you do not normally do large water changes, doing a sudden, large water change could shock your fish by suddenly changing their established water chemistry. Clean water is still your first goal, so in this case, do several smaller (10%) water changes over the next day or two before starting any large ones.
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Re: Sick Fahaka Puffer
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Re: Sick Fahaka Puffer
If you go Melafix don't forget to add an airstone to increase the O2 level.jnheinz wrote:My plan tonight is to change about 1/4 of the water and go for a Melafix dosing on the main tank.
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Re: Sick Fahaka Puffer
According to this thread: http://www.fnzas.org.nz/fishroom/viewto ... 25&t=46335 and this: http://www.pufferfishinfo.com/pufferfis ... _Page.html they do have a swim bladder, which they are born with - "Hatching occurs after roughly four days. The baby Puffer Fish have a functional mouth, eyes, and a swim bladder. After the first ten days, they shed their thin shell and spines begin to develop." and if you think about it J-P how else is a fish meant to control its buoyancy other than thru a swim bladder?J-P wrote:I thought puffers don't have swim bladdersWalrus Head wrote:It could be a Swim Bladder Infection
Re: Sick Fahaka Puffer
Turgidus kind of just... died. I noticed he didn't eat his food one night, so I netted it out. Few hours later.. dead. No puffiness in eyes, no bulges, no external abnormalities really.
He stayed in his cave a lot that they seem to enjoy for security. Tough to diagnose if you can't see. The only link I am putting them together with is the fact that they are attempting to die on me at the same time, and they eat the same food.
The airstone will be going in the tank.
Should I bother with Pimafix?
He stayed in his cave a lot that they seem to enjoy for security. Tough to diagnose if you can't see. The only link I am putting them together with is the fact that they are attempting to die on me at the same time, and they eat the same food.
The airstone will be going in the tank.
Should I bother with Pimafix?
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Re: Sick Fahaka Puffer
1) the first link you quoted is also a forum that mis-quotes wikipedia. There is no mention of swim bladders in that article at all. Actually that quote does not exist in that article.Pufferpunk wrote:As far as I know, puffers don't have swim bladders.
2) http://www.pufferfishinfo.com/pufferfis ... _Page.html mentions it yes.
PP says no .. the article says yes (and after reading it ... It wasn't professional at all, I am inclined to believe PP)... could SW and FW be different? But we digress....
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Re: Sick Fahaka Puffer
Pimafix is for Fungal infectionsjnheinz wrote:Turgidus kind of just... died. I noticed he didn't eat his food one night, so I netted it out. Few hours later.. dead. No puffiness in eyes, no bulges, no external abnormalities really.
He stayed in his cave a lot that they seem to enjoy for security. Tough to diagnose if you can't see. The only link I am putting them together with is the fact that they are attempting to die on me at the same time, and they eat the same food.
The airstone will be going in the tank.
Should I bother with Pimafix?
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Re: Sick Fahaka Puffer
Puffers don't have swim bladders, hence the continuous moving of fins to keep it upright.
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Re: Sick Fahaka Puffer
So I'm home.. He's still alive. Lump is still there.
The problem with his eye is he's hitting it against the gravel.. Probably causing irritation or problems.
The problem with his eye is he's hitting it against the gravel.. Probably causing irritation or problems.
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Re: Sick Fahaka Puffer
O ok thanks for the headsupDadof4 wrote:Puffers don't have swim bladders, hence the continuous moving of fins to keep it upright.
, I was gonna say though that bump your puffer has Heinz is located near the the stomach area. But then that begs the question why is his swimming out of control?Re: Sick Fahaka Puffer
Doing 25% water change (+Prime) and adding Melafix + air stone now.
He is kind of just looking at me every once and awhile.. laying sideways. He possesses the energy to get up and swim around cockeyed... but then he gives up and comes to a halt upside down.
I will try and get a picture or small video tonight. Will shoot one with my Canon instead of the Droid X. Tonight or tomorrow.
He is kind of just looking at me every once and awhile.. laying sideways. He possesses the energy to get up and swim around cockeyed... but then he gives up and comes to a halt upside down.
I will try and get a picture or small video tonight. Will shoot one with my Canon instead of the Droid X. Tonight or tomorrow.
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Re: Sick Fahaka Puffer
I am not certain, but Epsom salts. Don't try it until someone higher up gives you the Ok on that one.
Epsom salts are used for constipation and help relax the muscles. In this situation it may help pass the air he has swallowed (along with another attempt at burping). I don't know if they can be used in conjunction with Melafix.
Epsom salts are used for constipation and help relax the muscles. In this situation it may help pass the air he has swallowed (along with another attempt at burping). I don't know if they can be used in conjunction with Melafix.
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These show the lump -- His other eyeball is puffy.. Didn't get that one in the picture.
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Re: Sick Fahaka Puffer
I just tried burping him again.. That bump feels really odd, it very well could be air. I didn't succeed.
Off to do some errands for a bit. I did keep epsom salt in mind -- I do not keep it on hand though. Would have to visit a store tomorrow or w/e.
Off to do some errands for a bit. I did keep epsom salt in mind -- I do not keep it on hand though. Would have to visit a store tomorrow or w/e.
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Re: Sick Fahaka Puffer
Did you try my method? He may inflate with water but that's what you want--to replace the air with water.
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