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Im not going to vote for his re-election.

I didn't the 1st time.

Not that I like Obama, but you do have to give the man credit for doing what he did. Giving the order to go in and kill him and anyone that stands in your way. Clinton had the chance to do that same thing when he was in office and chickened out.

And no this does not change my outlook on the man, still think he is running this country into the ground

I think Obama has made some pretty sound choices. He's fought for stem cell research, he's mixing social and private healthcare (Everyone should be covered, you'll end up in the hospital at one time or another. You still have an option for a supplementary/complementary healthcare options, but we already subsidize companies and banks, so anyone who says America hasn't turned somewhat socialist already is only lying to themselves.), he got Osama, and overall he's had great international relations.

I can't say I voted for him the first time, but he's definitely doing better than I expected. And I'm not even a Democrat

Internationally I'll bet that most of the developed world is happy with him.

eieio wrote:what is "internet proof"?
does a post, picture, or video posted on the internet automatically make it valid?
any more than something seen on television, newspapers, magazines, tabloids?
because something is displayed on a video monitor it becomes bona fide?

internet proof to me would be a certificate of death, photos released by the government of bin laden laying there, video of the raid, none of which were given. just something a little more than an announcement such as "we got him ". which is why i dont 100% believe hes dead. sure someone is dead, but without dna tests being made public, how would we know it was him? but honestly that guy had so many look a likes how would we really know without dna test made public? and even then, the government can do anything with as much power as they have. a public dna test would definitely reassure me, not to 100% but closer than i am now. but of course theres going to be people second guessing it and its genuinity. internet or tv its all he say she say at the end of the day. i mean the media, news, government all say basically the karma from 9/11 came back around to him and families of the lost ones now know justice was served. ok well follow this link, where in his crimes does it list 9/11, the biggest terrorist attack in his lifetime. it only lists bombings in '98 and is suspect to other terrorist attacks throughout the world. they surely would list 9/11 if he was clearly responsible
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/wanted_terror ... -bin-laden

dont take this as me being a conspiracy theorist, i find conspiracies interesting and if enough hard facts provided to me then it will start weighing on my mind and making me think, but i will never believe conspiracies 100%, but at the same time i dont trust or believe our government 100% either. this convo could go on forever with me making my points about the goverment powers and how they can do anything from make people believe lies, make expert photoshops or fake videos, to fake birth/death records. for someone to believe everything the government or anyone in power says is very naive

jus85411 wrote: internet proof to me would be a certificate of death, photos released by the government of bin laden laying there, video of the raid, none of which were given.

why would the internet (just another form of media), as a source, give any more credibility to these issues than any other form of media

eieio wrote:

jus85411 wrote: internet proof to me would be a certificate of death, photos released by the government of bin laden laying there, video of the raid, none of which were given.

why would the internet (just another form of media), as a source, give any more credibility to these issues than any other form of media

it doesnt, and im not saying it is nor did i ever say that it does give more credibility. i just used "internet proof" as a term because that would be the quickest way these things would circulate given technology these days and how readily available it is rather than tv. lets just say "proof in general", not "internet proof"

they can give all the proof they want, and there will still be tons of people that will call the "proof" fake and try to show how it is faked.

Just like Obamas long form birth cert that was released, there is a video on youtube that that a guy shows how it was faked

CIA and US SEALS teams 6 was the heros, not Obama. CIA finally found him and the SEALS did the dirty work.

lol yeah i saw how people are now questioning that

I still want to know who all was in the SEAL team. Back when I was in the USMC I made a 100 dollar bet with a Navy SEAL that I would kill Bin Laden before he did.

You lost, pay up!

+1

Osama is dead (maybe), but really so what? There will be a line of people to take his place. My signature says it all.

Copied from FB: Let's be clear on this: OBAMA did NOT kill Bin Laden. An American soldier, who Obama just a few weeks ago was debating on whether or not to PAY, did. Obama just happened to be the one in office when our soldiers finally found OBL and took him out. This is NOT an Obama victory, but an AMERICAN victory!!