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Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 9:38 am
by Bred
drjuzz wrote:RTR what would be the best Product to buffer the water then, they have a really cheap PH only Buffer(witch dosent look to great), I found the Cape Coral PH and KH buffer in a marine Fish Store.
As mentioned earlier, the best, most effective, most stable and likely cheapest (long-term) product to buffer your water is crushed coral or aragonite. pH / kH buffering additives are not needed in this situation and should be eliminated asap. Switch out the substrate in your tank or put a few cups of crushed coral or aragonite in your cannister filter.
Clear as mud?

Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 3:08 pm
by RTR
Agree w/Bred - even though personally I hate changing substrate in an established tank. I end up taking the whole thing down and starting over.

Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 4:14 am
by drjuzz
OKay, Let me get this straight, So even thought my premixed water's PH is
lower (at the moment is sits at between 7 and 7.7) than my mains tanks PH, i can still mix it in? won't the lower PH of the water change the PH in the main tank causing stress for the fish over the time it takes for the crushed coral or aragonite to buffer the water up to the right PH? or is it instant ?
as of this morning, Shermy is still very black, it is possible that this drop in PH could have affected his eye sight? reson i ask is cause he does'nt seem to see the snails when i drop them into the tank (even right in front of him) be4 he used to charge at them full speed from the other side of the tank and take them out

Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 10:31 am
by RTR
The pH does not directly affect the fish at all. The specific minerals do affect the fish, as does the TDS/"salinity"/whatever - the osmotic strength of the solution. The pH may serve as an indicator that the solution is off, but it tells you nothing of why or how it is off.
My aging for BW/SW incorporates flow-through aragonite beds, so helps boost alkalinity & TDS.
Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 2:44 am
by drjuzz
Thanks for Help
I changed out some of the subtrate with crushed coral last night and did a 20% change with a filter clean.
Will Keep a close eye on things over the weekend!
N-Joy!
Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 4:02 pm
by perek
I guess my GSPs are just more manly than your puffers
They survived (and didnt lose color):
-6ppm of ammonia
-High Nitrate and Nitrite level
-A pH drop from 8.1 to 6.7
-survived a waterchange without using declorinater
They are tough little buggers!

Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 6:46 pm
by Pamela
How long ago was that, Perek? Are tehy showing any long-term effects from that trauma?
By the way...calling someone's puffers unmanly...that's fighting talk...fins at ten paces
Pami.
Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 6:58 pm
by RTR
How about incisors at nose-to-nose?

Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 7:53 pm
by perek
Pamela wrote:How long ago was that, Perek? Are tehy showing any long-term effects from that trauma?
By the way...calling someone's puffers unmanly...that's fighting talk...fins at ten paces
Pami.
2 weeks ago, when i made the mistake of putting 30 ramshorns in the tank before bed thinking they couldnt eat them all. Well next morning the tank was a mess, it looking like a snail disaster. They had eaten 30 MATURE ramshorns, I thought the smaller one was gonna explode. I will never make that mistake ever again.

Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 10:34 pm
by Pufferpunk
My GSPs have survived 3 tank crashes of ammonia & nitrites off the chart. The knight gobies didn't know the diffdrence, they were breeding.