I wonder if it was something in the tap water itself? Maybe there was a break in a pipe somewhere upstream and something nasty got into the system temporarily?
I've noticed lots of literal mud and sediment coming out of my taps about a year ago when a main burst half a mile away. Could have carried oil or diesel into the pipes potentially and just for a few hours.
just an idea...
2 Fish Died After WC
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Since this board has been up, we have found there are several questions that routinely get asked in order to help diagnose problems. If you can have that information to begin with in your post, we'll be able to help right away (if we can!) without having to wait for you to post the info we need.
1) Your water parameters - pH, Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrates and salinity (if appropriate). This is by far the most important information you can provide! Do not answer this with "Fine" "Perfect" "ok", that tells us nothing. We need hard numbers.
2) Tank size and a list of ALL inhabitants. Include algae eaters, plecos, everything. We need to know what you have and how big the tank is.
3) Feeding, water change schedule and a list of all products you are using or have added to the tank (examples: Cycle, Amquel, salt, etc)
4) What changes you've made in the tank in the last week or so. Sometimes its the little things that make all the difference.
5) How long the aquarium has been set up, and how did you cycle it? If you don't know what cycling is read this: Fishless Cycling Article and familiarize yourself with all the information. Yes. All of it.
We want to help, and providing this information will go a LONG way to getting a diagnosis and hopeful cure that much faster.
While you wait for assistance:
One of the easiest and best ways to help your fish feel better is clean water! If you are already on a regular water change schedule (50% weekly is recommended) a good step to making your fish more comfortable while waiting for diagnosis/suggestions is to do a large water change immediately. Feel free to repeat daily or as often as you can, clean water is always a good thing! Use of Amquel or Prime as a dechlor may help with any ammonia or nitrite issues, and is highly recommended.
Note - if you do not normally do large water changes, doing a sudden, large water change could shock your fish by suddenly changing their established water chemistry. Clean water is still your first goal, so in this case, do several smaller (10%) water changes over the next day or two before starting any large ones.
Read this before posting!!
Since this board has been up, we have found there are several questions that routinely get asked in order to help diagnose problems. If you can have that information to begin with in your post, we'll be able to help right away (if we can!) without having to wait for you to post the info we need.
1) Your water parameters - pH, Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrates and salinity (if appropriate). This is by far the most important information you can provide! Do not answer this with "Fine" "Perfect" "ok", that tells us nothing. We need hard numbers.
2) Tank size and a list of ALL inhabitants. Include algae eaters, plecos, everything. We need to know what you have and how big the tank is.
3) Feeding, water change schedule and a list of all products you are using or have added to the tank (examples: Cycle, Amquel, salt, etc)
4) What changes you've made in the tank in the last week or so. Sometimes its the little things that make all the difference.
5) How long the aquarium has been set up, and how did you cycle it? If you don't know what cycling is read this: Fishless Cycling Article and familiarize yourself with all the information. Yes. All of it.
We want to help, and providing this information will go a LONG way to getting a diagnosis and hopeful cure that much faster.
While you wait for assistance:
One of the easiest and best ways to help your fish feel better is clean water! If you are already on a regular water change schedule (50% weekly is recommended) a good step to making your fish more comfortable while waiting for diagnosis/suggestions is to do a large water change immediately. Feel free to repeat daily or as often as you can, clean water is always a good thing! Use of Amquel or Prime as a dechlor may help with any ammonia or nitrite issues, and is highly recommended.
Note - if you do not normally do large water changes, doing a sudden, large water change could shock your fish by suddenly changing their established water chemistry. Clean water is still your first goal, so in this case, do several smaller (10%) water changes over the next day or two before starting any large ones.
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Re: 2 Fish Died After WC
Sorry about your losses 
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Discus need 6.5 - 7.0 for ph, and 3 -5GH for hardness which is as important as ph.
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Re: 2 Fish Died After WC
how long does it take to do WC in that tank?
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Re: 2 Fish Died After WC
All my discus are fine & were bred in Chicago tap water, also without any dechlor of any kind.bastallard wrote:Discus need 6.5 - 7.0 for ph, and 3 -5GH for hardness which is as important as ph.
You are getting sleepy... you only hear the sound of my voice... you must do water changes... water changes... water changes... water changes...
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Re: 2 Fish Died After WC
Just an idea 
She had tough fish die and delicate fish live and some specimens of a species lived while the others died. There was no order to the deaths. She had tiny fry live and adult plecos die.
It seems that quite a few people have had this problem in the winter, normally Jan and Feb here. No one is sure why it's happening but it's definitely something in the water at this time of year.
Really sucks that you lost your fish
So sorry to hear that.
She had tough fish die and delicate fish live and some specimens of a species lived while the others died. There was no order to the deaths. She had tiny fry live and adult plecos die. It seems that quite a few people have had this problem in the winter, normally Jan and Feb here. No one is sure why it's happening but it's definitely something in the water at this time of year.
Really sucks that you lost your fish
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Re: 2 Fish Died After WC
I only lost an older 7" loach & 3 glass cats (which RTR says are very tough fish & very forgiving to water conditions). No plecos or fry. I also did do a 75%WC on a tank with a very old pleco (maybe even 15 years old) & he is fine, who lives with with my modestus & did a 50% WC on my BW fish. I didn't do a WC on Filbert's tank though--a little too nervous to chance it (plus he was having too much fun eating the loach).
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Re: 2 Fish Died After WC
Spring thaw Jeni, you never know what's going to suddenly show up in your water, especially closer to the cities. Anything that's been frozen or buried under snow is thawing out and leeching into the system.
That sucks though.. those fish have been going strong for a long time now.
Maybe just to be safe, grab a RV hose filter before you do your next water change, they are cheap, and might take out just enough bad stuff to prevent it from happening again.
That sucks though.. those fish have been going strong for a long time now.
Maybe just to be safe, grab a RV hose filter before you do your next water change, they are cheap, and might take out just enough bad stuff to prevent it from happening again.
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My husband thinks I'm nuts. Says there's absolutely nothing wrong with our water--we have the best water around.
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Aren't we all nuts? 
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Re: 2 Fish Died After WC
From: http://egov.cityofchicago.org/city/webp ... -536892336
Your city puts these things in your water
Chlorine: to disinfect the water.
Aluminum Sulfate or Alum and Polymer: for coagulation to settle out impurities.
Blended Polyphosphate: to coat pipes and prevent lead leaching.
Activated Carbon: to remove unpleasant tastes and odors.
Fluoride: to help fight cavities in children's teeth.
I do not know if any of these could hurt fish..but it is the cold season..I would imagine that frozen pipes could cause these things to concentrate????????
Oh and I do not know were you live, but on some city streets, Chicago recently widened pipes.
http://egov.cityofchicago.org/city/webp ... umValue=43
IDK..Sorry for your losses!
Your city puts these things in your water
Chlorine: to disinfect the water.
Aluminum Sulfate or Alum and Polymer: for coagulation to settle out impurities.
Blended Polyphosphate: to coat pipes and prevent lead leaching.
Activated Carbon: to remove unpleasant tastes and odors.
Fluoride: to help fight cavities in children's teeth.
I do not know if any of these could hurt fish..but it is the cold season..I would imagine that frozen pipes could cause these things to concentrate????????
Oh and I do not know were you live, but on some city streets, Chicago recently widened pipes.
http://egov.cityofchicago.org/city/webp ... umValue=43
IDK..Sorry for your losses!
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Re: 2 Fish Died After WC
Oh, I forgot to add.
Perhaps the widened pipes created a faster stronger flow..and eventually the faster water picked up sediments or nasties in other pipes near them??? Is that possible???
Perhaps the widened pipes created a faster stronger flow..and eventually the faster water picked up sediments or nasties in other pipes near them??? Is that possible???
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Re: 2 Fish Died After WC
In the spring, you sometimes get extra chlorine/chloramine. I remember Agnate saying that he doubles his dechlor dose in the spring. Also, you add one drop of Prime per gallon, right? The bottle says two. So maybe if the chlorine/chloramine did jump even a little, you just didn't have enough Prime to handle it.
Or maybe you misdosed dechlorinator?
You might also try monitoring parameters very very carefully - chlorine and chloramine kill the biofilter. Then again, many other things in the water could have the same effect... Just a thought.
Or maybe you misdosed dechlorinator?
You might also try monitoring parameters very very carefully - chlorine and chloramine kill the biofilter. Then again, many other things in the water could have the same effect... Just a thought.
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Re: 2 Fish Died After WC
Prime changed some time back. The original formulation called for two drops per gallon, the newer ones are one drop per gallon. Same material, different strength
The stuff is pretty stable. If you have an old bottle, keep using it. But the newer stuff uses less volume per gallon.
The stuff is pretty stable. If you have an old bottle, keep using it. But the newer stuff uses less volume per gallon.
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Re: 2 Fish Died After WC
I buy the Pond Prime. Not sure if it's more concentrated. Where can I get a chlorine/mine test?
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