Hi all.
Just come back from working away and I've noticed my puffers top lip seems to have disappeared and its mouth is quite swollen. My wife has been feeding it but doesn't pay much attention so could have happened anytime in last 10 days.
120 litre tank
1 schoutedeni
10 green rasboras
2 ottos
6 hillstream loaches
Large snails
Temp 26 c
Ph 6.8
Nitrite 0
Nitrate 5
Gh 2
Kh 0
I use seachem prime as conditioner and do 70% wc once a week unless I'm away then I normally do one they day I go and day I come back so sometimes only 2 or 3 changes a month.
Recently had what looked like whitespot but only affected the puffer, I treated with nt labs treatment and it cleared up.
I feed bloodworm daily and pest and ramshorns snails occasionally normally when I'm doing a wc from another tank.
Ill try upload an image but file size is to big.
Thanks
Paul
Schoutedeni mouth
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4) What changes you've made in the tank in the last week or so. Sometimes its the little things that make all the difference.
5) How long the aquarium has been set up, and how did you cycle it? If you don't know what cycling is read this: Fishless Cycling Article and familiarize yourself with all the information. Yes. All of it.
We want to help, and providing this information will go a LONG way to getting a diagnosis and hopeful cure that much faster.
While you wait for assistance:
One of the easiest and best ways to help your fish feel better is clean water! If you are already on a regular water change schedule (50% weekly is recommended) a good step to making your fish more comfortable while waiting for diagnosis/suggestions is to do a large water change immediately. Feel free to repeat daily or as often as you can, clean water is always a good thing! Use of Amquel or Prime as a dechlor may help with any ammonia or nitrite issues, and is highly recommended.
Note - if you do not normally do large water changes, doing a sudden, large water change could shock your fish by suddenly changing their established water chemistry. Clean water is still your first goal, so in this case, do several smaller (10%) water changes over the next day or two before starting any large ones.
Read this before posting!!
Since this board has been up, we have found there are several questions that routinely get asked in order to help diagnose problems. If you can have that information to begin with in your post, we'll be able to help right away (if we can!) without having to wait for you to post the info we need.
1) Your water parameters - pH, Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrates and salinity (if appropriate). This is by far the most important information you can provide! Do not answer this with "Fine" "Perfect" "ok", that tells us nothing. We need hard numbers.
2) Tank size and a list of ALL inhabitants. Include algae eaters, plecos, everything. We need to know what you have and how big the tank is.
3) Feeding, water change schedule and a list of all products you are using or have added to the tank (examples: Cycle, Amquel, salt, etc)
4) What changes you've made in the tank in the last week or so. Sometimes its the little things that make all the difference.
5) How long the aquarium has been set up, and how did you cycle it? If you don't know what cycling is read this: Fishless Cycling Article and familiarize yourself with all the information. Yes. All of it.
We want to help, and providing this information will go a LONG way to getting a diagnosis and hopeful cure that much faster.
While you wait for assistance:
One of the easiest and best ways to help your fish feel better is clean water! If you are already on a regular water change schedule (50% weekly is recommended) a good step to making your fish more comfortable while waiting for diagnosis/suggestions is to do a large water change immediately. Feel free to repeat daily or as often as you can, clean water is always a good thing! Use of Amquel or Prime as a dechlor may help with any ammonia or nitrite issues, and is highly recommended.
Note - if you do not normally do large water changes, doing a sudden, large water change could shock your fish by suddenly changing their established water chemistry. Clean water is still your first goal, so in this case, do several smaller (10%) water changes over the next day or two before starting any large ones.
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Pwesty1993
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Re: Schoutedeni mouth
Image of the fish
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Re: Schoutedeni mouth
Wow, that's crazy! It's difficult to see how swollen/red it is. It doesn't appear to be bloody/raw. It looks to be healing. My best guess is from a snail. Are the ramshorns tiny? Adults have been known to break a puffer's teeth. Do you have any sharp rocks or plastic plants in there?
You are getting sleepy... you only hear the sound of my voice... you must do water changes... water changes... water changes... water changes...
"The solution to pollution is dilution!"
"The solution to pollution is dilution!"
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Re: Schoutedeni mouth
And yes I've got a variety of real plants in there and dragon stone
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2 T biocellatus
C valentini
C coranata
C papuan
Also kept:
lorteti
DPs
suvattii
burrfish
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Re: Schoutedeni mouth
Is he eating normally?
Adding Epsom salt at 1 tbsp/10g, may reduce the swelling.
With a kH of zero, you have no buffer to maintain a stable pH. Chances are pretty good that you get massive pH swings, which are detrimental to your fish.
Feeding him mostly bloodworms is also a very poor diet, which will further decline his health.
library/feeding/feeding-your-puffers/
https://www.pufferfishenthusiastsworldw ... choutedeni
Adding Epsom salt at 1 tbsp/10g, may reduce the swelling.
With a kH of zero, you have no buffer to maintain a stable pH. Chances are pretty good that you get massive pH swings, which are detrimental to your fish.
Feeding him mostly bloodworms is also a very poor diet, which will further decline his health.
library/feeding/feeding-your-puffers/
https://www.pufferfishenthusiastsworldw ... choutedeni
You are getting sleepy... you only hear the sound of my voice... you must do water changes... water changes... water changes... water changes...
"The solution to pollution is dilution!"
"The solution to pollution is dilution!"