Identify puffer

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Re: Identify puffer

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I'm thinking the one facing down could be a ceylon, not gsp...BUT, I need a better pic.
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purplecandle wrote:I'm thinking the one facing down could be a ceylon, not gsp...BUT, I need a better pic.
Sorry, this is the best pics I could get from my viewpoint. I will try to make another when it'll be swimming around and facing down.
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Alright then, I am gonna be unpopular here. I know, I know!

It looks more Ceylon than gsp to me.

I think it's a juvenile and your first pictures were a bit misleading.

Time will tell :) I could be wrong! I'm not trying to argue....but yeah... 2 different puffs.


Here is a Ceylon at a similar angle, yours looks different because it's a juvie (I'm guessing)

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Re: Identify puffer

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purplecandle wrote:Alright then, I am gonna be unpopular here. I know, I know!

It looks more Ceylon than gsp to me.

I think it's a juvenile and your first pictures were a bit misleading.

Time will tell :) I could be wrong! I'm not trying to argue....but yeah... 2 different puffs.


Here is a Ceylon at a similar angle, yours looks different because it's a juvie (I'm guessing)

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I can see why you'd figure that, and I also did a double take of that picture, but I'll have to disagree. The patterning is more consistant with T. nigroviridis, though the "bands" near the top of the head seem to look similar to those on T. fluviatilis. I believe these "bands" are just merging spots, as that speciment seems to have larger spots. It also seems less drab than most Ceylons are, which usually have dull muted colors and bellies ranging from creamy to blackish, not the blindingly white belly of that specimen. The amount of sub-species colorations in brackish puffers seems to be very high, as GSPs, ceylons, and F8s all have vastly different patterns within each species.
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If it were possible for a hybrid I guess you could say that.

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But looks to me the GSP side won out on the genetic battle. lol
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sgtmyers88 wrote:If it were possible for a hybrid I guess you could say that.

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But looks to me the GSP side won out on the genetic battle. lol
Lol. Just to make things clear, the puffers is rare for sale here but I've seen 100% Nigroviridis like my first puffer a few times and only once a few puffers (about 3-5 don't remember already) with colors like my second one. They were in the same tank with Nigroviridis and both of them were sold as Green puffers. I've asked the seller what's the difference between them but it was probably the first time he's selling the puffers so he told me that this is probably the male and female coloration. Since I know that it can't be, I just stopped asking questions and bought this one.

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I'm gonna stick to my conclusion...UNTILL He grows up! LOL.

I've never seen a pattern like that on a gsp, it's almost too perfect. I absolutely see why some call it a gsp though!

I think it's a waiting game on this one. I think when he's older it will be much easier to tell.

If it makes you feel better, I have 2 gsps that don't look like standard gsps.

It's sucks, we know where every cichlid in the world comes from AND how to identify them. But Puffers (especially brackish ones)...we are at a total loss.

If it is a gsp.... what a cool pattern he has!
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I think it's a gsp as well. One that have pretty uniformed spots.
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scpion wrote:I think it's a gsp as well. One that have pretty uniformed spots.

Definitely scpion has seen a lot more Ceylon and gsps than the rest of us! I can't go 100% certain either way. Perhaps call it a Ceylon green spotted puffer lol! I'd love to see this puffer as an adult for sure!
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purplecandle wrote:I'm gonna stick to my conclusion...UNTILL He grows up! LOL.
If it makes you feel better, I have 2 gsps that don't look like standard gsps.
Interesting! Where I can look at them?
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Sorry, watched your gallery. Cool ones!

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Ceylon (T fluvitilas), always have spotted bellies.
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purplecandle wrote:
scpion wrote:I think it's a gsp as well. One that have pretty uniformed spots.

Definitely scpion has seen a lot more Ceylon and gsps than the rest of us! I can't go 100% certain either way. Perhaps call it a Ceylon green spotted puffer lol! I'd love to see this puffer as an adult for sure!
Not really.. From where I am, gsp are very common. Ceylon some times. To me, Ceylon are very much different.. They have 2 very distinct black patch on the head, smaller spots along the body. And the tail is a beautiful orange colour.
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PC has a point with this specimen not being mature.

Plus, we cannot forget that 4-toothed puffer nomenclature is shaky - to put it mildly. There is little chance of anyone tackling the entire group, but some efforts are being made with subgroups. The next big battle may well come between the traditional taxonomists and the geneticists. That one will be fun. Puffers relatively "clean" nuclear genomes may or may not be matched by their non-chromosomal maternal components.
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HI again. My puffers seems to live healthy and happily. A few days ago I found another one which pattern seems very similar to my puffer. I've bought him. The pictures were taken a few minutes later after getting him to my tank. Probably not so healthy as others but I'm looking forward to it.

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Both GSPs.
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