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Dwarf Puffer Cleanup Crew

Post by llamaroad » Sat Aug 23, 2014 1:43 pm

Hello everyone!

I'm obviously new here. I'm going to be setting up a Fluval 3 for a single Dwarf Puffer. It will be moderately planted. My question is, what kind of cleaners could I have? I won't be able to fit a small school of Otocinclus, and I'm worried about small snails being eaten. Would it be possible to get a large Nerite, as the mouth of the puffer is so small?

I look forward to hearing your suggestions and/or tips.

Thanks everyone! :D

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Re: Dwarf Puffer Cleanup Crew

Post by Pufferpunk » Sat Aug 23, 2014 3:37 pm

Please reconsider & get your puffer a 5-10g. Then you can add a trio of otocinclus and/or cherry shrimp.
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Re: Dwarf Puffer Cleanup Crew

Post by llamaroad » Sat Aug 23, 2014 3:56 pm

Pufferpunk wrote:Please reconsider & get your puffer a 5-10g. Then you can add a trio of otocinclus and/or cherry shrimp.
I'm new to puffers, sorry. Wouldn't it eat cherry shrimp?

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Re: Dwarf Puffer Cleanup Crew

Post by llamaroad » Sat Aug 23, 2014 4:23 pm

Pufferpunk wrote:Please reconsider & get your puffer a 5-10g. Then you can add a trio of otocinclus and/or cherry shrimp.
The cherry shrimp won't get eaten?

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Re: Dwarf Puffer Cleanup Crew

Post by Pufferpunk » Sat Aug 23, 2014 5:41 pm

For some reason, DPs don't eat shrimp tank mates. Most DPs, that is...
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Re: Dwarf Puffer Cleanup Crew

Post by Arny » Sat Aug 23, 2014 6:00 pm

Maybe a large apple snail will be ok

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Re: Dwarf Puffer Cleanup Crew

Post by dpmom » Sat Aug 23, 2014 6:43 pm

It is my understanding that when puffers eat snails that they eat them flesh-first so no matter the size of the snail, I would think it would be eaten. It is the process of eating the flesh that causes the teeth to scrape the shell and therefore file them down. I have never personally owned puffers, just what I've gathered in my research in preparation for some. Hope it helps!

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Re: Dwarf Puffer Cleanup Crew

Post by llamaroad » Sat Aug 23, 2014 7:51 pm

Pufferpunk wrote:For some reason, DPs don't eat shrimp tank mates. Most DPs, that is...
Is it possible that an Amano shrimp would work? I'm taking your advice and getting a Nuvo Spec V instead of the smaller Spec 3.

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Re: Dwarf Puffer Cleanup Crew

Post by Pufferpunk » Sat Aug 23, 2014 11:28 pm

dpmom is correct; that poor snail will get chunks eaten out of it & live quite some time...
Amano should be OK but never trust a puffer!
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Re: Dwarf Puffer Cleanup Crew

Post by sgtmyers88 » Sun Aug 24, 2014 12:59 am

I have a half dozen ghost shrimp with my DP, the puffer has only eaten a couple over the past three years yet murdered the pair of oto's I had in there within a month of having them.
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Re: Dwarf Puffer Cleanup Crew

Post by scpion » Sun Aug 24, 2014 1:02 am

Apple snails they eat almost everything and that means your plants. And they poop tons.
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Re: Dwarf Puffer Cleanup Crew

Post by llamaroad » Sun Aug 24, 2014 8:48 am

sgtmyers88 wrote:I have a half dozen ghost shrimp with my DP, the puffer has only eaten a couple over the past three years yet murdered the pair of oto's I had in there within a month of having them.
This is what I plan on putting in there. I MAY try a few otos, but I'm not sure. I will, however, put some ghost shrimp in so they will clean up after the puffer.

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Re: Dwarf Puffer Cleanup Crew

Post by RTR » Sun Aug 24, 2014 10:13 am

I doubt that the quite small tanks under discussion could support one Otocinclus cat long term, much less several. Otos may be small, but they will actually outlive many DPs, if they are properly selected (never buy a hollow-bellied DP, QT in a tank w/algae - including some soft green glass algae if possible). Few immature tank can support any Otos.

Red cherry shrimp do tend to survive w/DPs because they are small and quick and do best with several good smallish clumps of small Anubias nana or old and mufti-stemmed clumps Anubias nana petite to provide refuge from the DPs.

Ghost shrimp will eat DP eggs and perhaps newly hatched fry as well. NIMFTS.
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Re: Dwarf Puffer Cleanup Crew

Post by dpmom » Sun Aug 24, 2014 10:32 am

I have to agree, no smaller than an established 20 gallon for otos. I keep a group in my 10 but I still have algae all over the glass as they have converted to eating flake (which they don't commonly do) and even when they were eating algae, there was some visible. I run extremely high light, however, and don't have demanding plants anymore or enough fertilizer to let the light do what it could for the plants. I would stick to the shrimp and the puffer in a 5 gallon. :wink:
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Re: Dwarf Puffer Cleanup Crew

Post by llamaroad » Sun Aug 24, 2014 7:10 pm

RTR wrote:I doubt that the quite small tanks under discussion could support one Otocinclus cat long term, much less several. Otos may be small, but they will actually outlive many DPs, if they are properly selected (never buy a hollow-bellied DP, QT in a tank w/algae - including some soft green glass algae if possible). Few immature tank can support any Otos.

Red cherry shrimp do tend to survive w/DPs because they are small and quick and do best with several good smallish clumps of small Anubias nana or old and mufti-stemmed clumps Anubias nana petite to provide refuge from the DPs.

Ghost shrimp will eat DP eggs and perhaps newly hatched fry as well. NIMFTS.
I think I'm just gonna go with an amano shrimp or two.

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