Puffer Upside Down
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Since this board has been up, we have found there are several questions that routinely get asked in order to help diagnose problems. If you can have that information to begin with in your post, we'll be able to help right away (if we can!) without having to wait for you to post the info we need.
1) Your water parameters - pH, Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrates and salinity (if appropriate). This is by far the most important information you can provide! Do not answer this with "Fine" "Perfect" "ok", that tells us nothing. We need hard numbers.
2) Tank size and a list of ALL inhabitants. Include algae eaters, plecos, everything. We need to know what you have and how big the tank is.
3) Feeding, water change schedule and a list of all products you are using or have added to the tank (examples: Cycle, Amquel, salt, etc)
4) What changes you've made in the tank in the last week or so. Sometimes its the little things that make all the difference.
5) How long the aquarium has been set up, and how did you cycle it? If you don't know what cycling is read this: Fishless Cycling Article and familiarize yourself with all the information. Yes. All of it.
We want to help, and providing this information will go a LONG way to getting a diagnosis and hopeful cure that much faster.
While you wait for assistance:
One of the easiest and best ways to help your fish feel better is clean water! If you are already on a regular water change schedule (50% weekly is recommended) a good step to making your fish more comfortable while waiting for diagnosis/suggestions is to do a large water change immediately. Feel free to repeat daily or as often as you can, clean water is always a good thing! Use of Amquel or Prime as a dechlor may help with any ammonia or nitrite issues, and is highly recommended.
Note - if you do not normally do large water changes, doing a sudden, large water change could shock your fish by suddenly changing their established water chemistry. Clean water is still your first goal, so in this case, do several smaller (10%) water changes over the next day or two before starting any large ones.
Read this before posting!!
Since this board has been up, we have found there are several questions that routinely get asked in order to help diagnose problems. If you can have that information to begin with in your post, we'll be able to help right away (if we can!) without having to wait for you to post the info we need.
1) Your water parameters - pH, Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrates and salinity (if appropriate). This is by far the most important information you can provide! Do not answer this with "Fine" "Perfect" "ok", that tells us nothing. We need hard numbers.
2) Tank size and a list of ALL inhabitants. Include algae eaters, plecos, everything. We need to know what you have and how big the tank is.
3) Feeding, water change schedule and a list of all products you are using or have added to the tank (examples: Cycle, Amquel, salt, etc)
4) What changes you've made in the tank in the last week or so. Sometimes its the little things that make all the difference.
5) How long the aquarium has been set up, and how did you cycle it? If you don't know what cycling is read this: Fishless Cycling Article and familiarize yourself with all the information. Yes. All of it.
We want to help, and providing this information will go a LONG way to getting a diagnosis and hopeful cure that much faster.
While you wait for assistance:
One of the easiest and best ways to help your fish feel better is clean water! If you are already on a regular water change schedule (50% weekly is recommended) a good step to making your fish more comfortable while waiting for diagnosis/suggestions is to do a large water change immediately. Feel free to repeat daily or as often as you can, clean water is always a good thing! Use of Amquel or Prime as a dechlor may help with any ammonia or nitrite issues, and is highly recommended.
Note - if you do not normally do large water changes, doing a sudden, large water change could shock your fish by suddenly changing their established water chemistry. Clean water is still your first goal, so in this case, do several smaller (10%) water changes over the next day or two before starting any large ones.
Puffer Upside Down
Hey guys I need some serious help.
My largest puffer (reticulated 17") who I have had for years isn't doing well. He's just getting over copper treatment from a bad case of velvet (cupermine, didn't have a choice since I don't have a large enough QT for the fish and can't test for CP).
He hasn't been eating normally and swimming oddly (flips and rolling but could swim up and down) over the last week and has stopped eating crabs and clams which he did before and during the copper treatment.
Last night I was petting him and he freaked out swimming all over the tank erratically and partially puffed up which he has never done. Initially it appeared that he had an air bubble so I removed him from the tank in hopes that it would go away and it did, he seemed to right himself, however, this morning he appeared to have a large air bubble and was upside down. I read to hold him by the tail with his mouth facing up to try and release the bubble. I tried this and he fully puffed and watch him expel everything and seemed to have fixed it. However, he is now upside down and breathing normally and aware but I don't know what to do. I can't tell if he has an air bubble or if that's just his stomach-maybe constipated?
PH-8.0
KH-10
NO3/4-0
Nitrate-100
Nitrite-0
Salinity-1.021
Copper- 0.41 (Hanna tested, currently running purgien, cubisorb, seagel, trying to remove it not sure why it's not dropping)
Completed a 100g WC yesterday and last weekend
Tank Size-500g
Tank Mates
-8" and 6" porcupine puffer
-8" Pinktail Trigger
-7" Assai Trigger
-10" Miniatus Grouper
-4' Dragon Eel
-2.5' Zebra Eel
My largest puffer (reticulated 17") who I have had for years isn't doing well. He's just getting over copper treatment from a bad case of velvet (cupermine, didn't have a choice since I don't have a large enough QT for the fish and can't test for CP).
He hasn't been eating normally and swimming oddly (flips and rolling but could swim up and down) over the last week and has stopped eating crabs and clams which he did before and during the copper treatment.
Last night I was petting him and he freaked out swimming all over the tank erratically and partially puffed up which he has never done. Initially it appeared that he had an air bubble so I removed him from the tank in hopes that it would go away and it did, he seemed to right himself, however, this morning he appeared to have a large air bubble and was upside down. I read to hold him by the tail with his mouth facing up to try and release the bubble. I tried this and he fully puffed and watch him expel everything and seemed to have fixed it. However, he is now upside down and breathing normally and aware but I don't know what to do. I can't tell if he has an air bubble or if that's just his stomach-maybe constipated?
PH-8.0
KH-10
NO3/4-0
Nitrate-100
Nitrite-0
Salinity-1.021
Copper- 0.41 (Hanna tested, currently running purgien, cubisorb, seagel, trying to remove it not sure why it's not dropping)
Completed a 100g WC yesterday and last weekend
Tank Size-500g
Tank Mates
-8" and 6" porcupine puffer
-8" Pinktail Trigger
-7" Assai Trigger
-10" Miniatus Grouper
-4' Dragon Eel
-2.5' Zebra Eel
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- Pufferpunk
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2 T biocellatus
C valentini
C coranata
C papuan
Also kept:
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Re: Puffer Upside Down
I'm thinking there might be more air in there. Sometimes, you have to burp multiple times.
You are getting sleepy... you only hear the sound of my voice... you must do water changes... water changes... water changes... water changes...
"The solution to pollution is dilution!"
"The solution to pollution is dilution!"
Re: Puffer Upside Down
So net him and try to get him to puff again?
I was going to take him to contact a specialty vet and possibly bring him in.
I was going to take him to contact a specialty vet and possibly bring him in.
- Pufferpunk
- Queen Admin
- Posts: 32764
- Joined: Tue May 31, 2005 11:06 am
- Gender: Female
- My Puffers: Filbert, the 12" T lineatus
Punkster, the 4" red T miurus
Mongo, the 4" A modestus
2 T biocellatus
C valentini
C coranata
C papuan
Also kept:
lorteti
DPs
suvattii
burrfish
T niphobles - Location (country): USA, Greenville, SC
- Location: Chicago
- Contact:
Re: Puffer Upside Down
You can also try holding him underwater, head up & gently press his belly from the bottom towards his mouth.
You are getting sleepy... you only hear the sound of my voice... you must do water changes... water changes... water changes... water changes...
"The solution to pollution is dilution!"
"The solution to pollution is dilution!"
Re: Puffer Upside Down
Last time I tried he puffed completely and I couldn’t really burp him or rub his belly.
He’s been tryin to flip himself but couldn’t so I was able to help him but he’s had issues swimming for a week so could it be swim bladder?
He’s been tryin to flip himself but couldn’t so I was able to help him but he’s had issues swimming for a week so could it be swim bladder?
- Pufferpunk
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- Posts: 32764
- Joined: Tue May 31, 2005 11:06 am
- Gender: Female
- My Puffers: Filbert, the 12" T lineatus
Punkster, the 4" red T miurus
Mongo, the 4" A modestus
2 T biocellatus
C valentini
C coranata
C papuan
Also kept:
lorteti
DPs
suvattii
burrfish
T niphobles - Location (country): USA, Greenville, SC
- Location: Chicago
- Contact:
Re: Puffer Upside Down
Puffers don't have a swim bladder.
You are getting sleepy... you only hear the sound of my voice... you must do water changes... water changes... water changes... water changes...
"The solution to pollution is dilution!"
"The solution to pollution is dilution!"
- eieio
- Mbu Puffer
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The Congo Puffer:
"olivia"
and.......
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"cream puff"
RIP cream puff :-( - Location (country): U.S.A.
- Location: Prescott, Arizona
Re: Puffer Upside Down
ammonia level?
tank is overcrowded.
copper may also be the issue. many puffers don't do well with chemical treatments.
tank is overcrowded.
copper may also be the issue. many puffers don't do well with chemical treatments.
"I plan ahead. That way, I don't have to do anything right now!"
Re: Puffer Upside Down
ammonia level is posted in original thread
I don't think the 500g tank is over crowded with 5 fish and 2 eels
I don't think the 500g tank is over crowded with 5 fish and 2 eels
- Pufferpunk
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- Posts: 32764
- Joined: Tue May 31, 2005 11:06 am
- Gender: Female
- My Puffers: Filbert, the 12" T lineatus
Punkster, the 4" red T miurus
Mongo, the 4" A modestus
2 T biocellatus
C valentini
C coranata
C papuan
Also kept:
lorteti
DPs
suvattii
burrfish
T niphobles - Location (country): USA, Greenville, SC
- Location: Chicago
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Re: Puffer Upside Down
I think she may have said that, due to your nitrate level. That's really HIGH! Any reason as to why? How much live rock is in there? Do you run a sump?
You are getting sleepy... you only hear the sound of my voice... you must do water changes... water changes... water changes... water changes...
"The solution to pollution is dilution!"
"The solution to pollution is dilution!"
- eieio
- Mbu Puffer
- Posts: 1033
- Joined: Sat Jun 13, 2009 11:34 am
- My Puffers: *
The Congo Puffer:
"olivia"
and.......
The DP:
"cream puff"
RIP cream puff :-( - Location (country): U.S.A.
- Location: Prescott, Arizona
Re: Puffer Upside Down
where?
I do.
There's obviously something wrong, and as in almost all cases, it's probably water/toxin related.
I see no reference to ammonia levels, and your nitrate level is off the chart!
It may be that the velvet was the a result of poor water conditions.
Your tank is WAY overstocked with fish!
Copper is also poisonous to puffers.
"I plan ahead. That way, I don't have to do anything right now!"
- Pufferpunk
- Queen Admin
- Posts: 32764
- Joined: Tue May 31, 2005 11:06 am
- Gender: Female
- My Puffers: Filbert, the 12" T lineatus
Punkster, the 4" red T miurus
Mongo, the 4" A modestus
2 T biocellatus
C valentini
C coranata
C papuan
Also kept:
lorteti
DPs
suvattii
burrfish
T niphobles - Location (country): USA, Greenville, SC
- Location: Chicago
- Contact:
Re: Puffer Upside Down
Might be easier to judge that if we knew the species & size of all tank inhabitants.I don't think the 500g tank is over crowded with 5 fish and 2 eels
You are getting sleepy... you only hear the sound of my voice... you must do water changes... water changes... water changes... water changes...
"The solution to pollution is dilution!"
"The solution to pollution is dilution!"