Figure 8 not gaining weight

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Figure 8 not gaining weight

Post by ck9 »

Hey,

This isn't an urgent help sorta thing but I wasn't sure which other topic to but it under so i went for sick fish. Anyways my figure 8 Is acting fine, active, eating normally etc. But no matter how much he eats his stomach never goes fully round, and when it gets somewhat close an hour or 2 later its flat again. To the point where he looks like I haven't fed him for weeks. Although this sounds slightly odd, I've kept puffer fish for years and I'm sure there's somethinn abnormal. Any idea what this could be? Maybe IP?

Tanks size: 28 gallons
Inhabitants: 3 figure 8 puffers, 2 bumble bee gobies
Salinity: 1.005
Ammonia: 0
Nitrites: 0
Nitrates: 0
Ph: 8

All the other fish are eating fine and remain nice and rounded. Any ideas what's wrong with him Or if I'm doing something wrong... Thankyou ☺️
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Re: Figure 8 not gaining weight

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Sounds like it is internal parasites.
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Re: Figure 8 not gaining weight

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Give him a worming dose and see if it changes
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Do you have any IP treatments you recommend? I'm in England and all the ones online are from America and cost £50+ to ship here which I can't really afford :?
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Re: Figure 8 not gaining weight

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Prazi or Metro. Have you checked Ebay?
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I picked up metronidazole on ebay delivered to Ireland for about 15euro recently.
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Alternatively seek a praziquental based dog wormer from a vet. I have two dogs and simply pop up to my regular vet to pick up a wormer, recently I was up there with a sick dog and discssed my puffer fish. I ended up leaving with 50mg of praziqental and some syringes for dosing for injecting food
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So should the prazi be for any animals Eg. A liquid treatment for dogs ? (:
The only thing I've found so far is water life octozin which i don't think is what I want. Aha I think I must be being extremely stupid sorry :lol:
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I've found a product called 'hikari prazipro
For pretty reasonable, would this work? I just wanna make sure I don't buy something and realise it's
Not going to help my fish

Thankyou !
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If it is an anti parasite aquarium product it should be fine. Sounds like it is though.
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Yeah it's especially designed for fish, it says its applied directly to the water and treats : fluke, tapeworms, flatworms and tubellerians. So would that treat my fish's IP? (:
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Yes it should work. I assume the main ingredient is praziquantel, based on the name. Make a solution with it to soak the fish's food in before feeding.
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ck9 wrote:Yeah it's especially designed for fish, it says its applied directly to the water and treats : fluke, tapeworms, flatworms and tubellerians. So would that treat my fish's IP? (:
When a fish is not eating at all doesing the water is about all you can do, its not particularly effective as freshwater fish don't drink at all. As Kass says soak some food in it and feed that to your fish
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Alrighty Thankyou (: so ive ordered it. It says it's for fluke though? However the main ingredient is prazi so im hoping if I can get him to eat the food soaked in the prazi it should be effective against IP's?
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Hey,

I've dosed twice over the past few days. He seems to have be eaton less now which i think is good because before he would just try and eat non stop. He was passing 2 poos at once today (never seen this before), one was dark red which im assuming is because he has blood worms yesterday. The other is pale and odd, I've tried to take a picture.

Is this the parasite passing? I have literally no idea :lol:

Alternatively this could just be a standard poo which would be embarrassing
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