Hi guys,
Well I am new to the forum. After much research I learned a lot here, but I still have a problem. I currently have a 200L tank with 4 figure 8, 1 Molly, and one cichlid. The parameters of water are 1002 sg, Ph 7.8, temperature 25 C. I have one Figure 8 about one month period that my fresh water and more recently adiquiri 3 figure 8 and started salify water, but my first figure 8 before salinization got sick, not eating right, this with very pale color and moves very little in the aquarium, he is not eating as before and now this Slim, what can be? I am very concerned
Sick Figure 8 Save-ME
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1) Your water parameters - pH, Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrates and salinity (if appropriate). This is by far the most important information you can provide! Do not answer this with "Fine" "Perfect" "ok", that tells us nothing. We need hard numbers.
2) Tank size and a list of ALL inhabitants. Include algae eaters, plecos, everything. We need to know what you have and how big the tank is.
3) Feeding, water change schedule and a list of all products you are using or have added to the tank (examples: Cycle, Amquel, salt, etc)
4) What changes you've made in the tank in the last week or so. Sometimes its the little things that make all the difference.
5) How long the aquarium has been set up, and how did you cycle it? If you don't know what cycling is read this: Fishless Cycling Article and familiarize yourself with all the information. Yes. All of it.
We want to help, and providing this information will go a LONG way to getting a diagnosis and hopeful cure that much faster.
While you wait for assistance:
One of the easiest and best ways to help your fish feel better is clean water! If you are already on a regular water change schedule (50% weekly is recommended) a good step to making your fish more comfortable while waiting for diagnosis/suggestions is to do a large water change immediately. Feel free to repeat daily or as often as you can, clean water is always a good thing! Use of Amquel or Prime as a dechlor may help with any ammonia or nitrite issues, and is highly recommended.
Note - if you do not normally do large water changes, doing a sudden, large water change could shock your fish by suddenly changing their established water chemistry. Clean water is still your first goal, so in this case, do several smaller (10%) water changes over the next day or two before starting any large ones.
Read this before posting!!
Since this board has been up, we have found there are several questions that routinely get asked in order to help diagnose problems. If you can have that information to begin with in your post, we'll be able to help right away (if we can!) without having to wait for you to post the info we need.
1) Your water parameters - pH, Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrates and salinity (if appropriate). This is by far the most important information you can provide! Do not answer this with "Fine" "Perfect" "ok", that tells us nothing. We need hard numbers.
2) Tank size and a list of ALL inhabitants. Include algae eaters, plecos, everything. We need to know what you have and how big the tank is.
3) Feeding, water change schedule and a list of all products you are using or have added to the tank (examples: Cycle, Amquel, salt, etc)
4) What changes you've made in the tank in the last week or so. Sometimes its the little things that make all the difference.
5) How long the aquarium has been set up, and how did you cycle it? If you don't know what cycling is read this: Fishless Cycling Article and familiarize yourself with all the information. Yes. All of it.
We want to help, and providing this information will go a LONG way to getting a diagnosis and hopeful cure that much faster.
While you wait for assistance:
One of the easiest and best ways to help your fish feel better is clean water! If you are already on a regular water change schedule (50% weekly is recommended) a good step to making your fish more comfortable while waiting for diagnosis/suggestions is to do a large water change immediately. Feel free to repeat daily or as often as you can, clean water is always a good thing! Use of Amquel or Prime as a dechlor may help with any ammonia or nitrite issues, and is highly recommended.
Note - if you do not normally do large water changes, doing a sudden, large water change could shock your fish by suddenly changing their established water chemistry. Clean water is still your first goal, so in this case, do several smaller (10%) water changes over the next day or two before starting any large ones.
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Re: Sick Figure 8 Save-ME
Please answer all the questions printed above. We need information on the tank to be able to help you and your fish.
Do you plan to move the Cichlid to another tank? What type and size is the Cichlid? They are not brackish water fish.
Do you plan to move the Cichlid to another tank? What type and size is the Cichlid? They are not brackish water fish.
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Re: Sick Figure 8 Save-ME
Ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, pH???
You are getting sleepy... you only hear the sound of my voice... you must do water changes... water changes... water changes... water changes...
"The solution to pollution is dilution!"
"The solution to pollution is dilution!"
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Re: Sick Figure 8 Save-ME
I do not intend to remove my ciclideo, so it is also of alkaline and ph of brackish water is very good! My pH is 7,8, nitrito ammonium nitrate and I do not know why I do not have any proof that makes these, but fasso expecting parcias 7 in 7 days, and my aquarium is extremely clean. I am very worried about my water, but I still do not have proof, nitrito ammonium nitrate and i am sorry, because in my region these tests are very expensive. Sorry me for my inglish
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Re: Sick Figure 8 Save-ME
Mi ph 7.8, but I Don't have, the test of ammonia, nitrite, nitrate. Sorry but in mi from This test is very expensive
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Re: Sick Figure 8 Save-ME
Can you take the water to the fish store & have them test? Or buy some test kits yourself. It is VERY important to know these things!
You are getting sleepy... you only hear the sound of my voice... you must do water changes... water changes... water changes... water changes...
"The solution to pollution is dilution!"
"The solution to pollution is dilution!"
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Re: Sick Figure 8 Save-ME
I already bought the tests and my resoltado was very good, Ammonia: 0, Nitrite: 0, Nitrate: 1ppm. But I am very sad because my response took soo much to be published. My figure 8 who was sick began to recover its color improved and returned to swim around the aquarium, was not eating as much you ate before, .... but he ended up dying without even I know the problem. I still have 3 Figure 8 that are properly for now, anyone have any idea why my figure 8 died?
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Re: Sick Figure 8 Save-ME
If it was wild-caught, we are unlikely to ever know- we would never be able to get realistic info on the capture and holding and transport of each fish. It could be simply mishandling or injury anywhere along the line.
The pet trade does not often have fish pathologists on the staff. LFS never do.
The pet trade does not often have fish pathologists on the staff. LFS never do.
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Re: Sick Figure 8 Save-ME
Lots of young wild caught fish unfortunately have a high mortality rate if the supplier or fish store does not invest in treating them for parasites.
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Re: Sick Figure 8 Save-ME
I bought my figure 8 good little and he was with any bites on the fins, what I think normal in this fish. She stayed with me more than a month and you recovered and he grew very well, he had strong colors, but from one day to the other your color turned pale and he just swam in the glass of the aquarium up and down when he was not hiding out, and she started to be skinny and you did not eat straight until she ended up dying.
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Re: Sick Figure 8 Save-ME
I would like somebody's help, So my water parameters are very good, but three F8 have died in my aquarium. All were very good and quiet overnight and agreed with the skinny pale colors, then died then. Please help me because I do not know
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Re: Sick Figure 8 Save-ME
Please answer ALL the questions above in red or we can't help you.
You are getting sleepy... you only hear the sound of my voice... you must do water changes... water changes... water changes... water changes...
"The solution to pollution is dilution!"
"The solution to pollution is dilution!"
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Re: Sick Figure 8 Save-ME
thats ok Pufferpunk, I will star the second question because the first are in my perfil.
2) Currently I have only 2 F8, 1 white and 1 Molly Orange Chromide. ( But already had 5 F8 and 3 eventually died as I already said)
3)The food and made two to three times a day, they eat (dried shrimp, live shrimp, snail, frozen shrimp, frozen artemia, and worm). Sometimes I knead garlic and mix with artemia. I changed at the beginning about 50% of water weekly, but now 25% of water change every 7 to 10 days. Use just a water conditioner and that the Prime (Seachem) and Alkali (Labcon) to raise the ph and of course sea salt.
4) I do not have made change in my aquarium. In it I have a natural wood (for own aquarium) and marine stones that raise ph
5) My aquarium is already mounted about 10 months. Was properly cycled for 40 days with no fish, but with fresh water and only a little time with F8 I added sea salt.
So to add, always was very careful with my aquarium and never died no fish in it, the only ones were the F8
2) Currently I have only 2 F8, 1 white and 1 Molly Orange Chromide. ( But already had 5 F8 and 3 eventually died as I already said)
3)The food and made two to three times a day, they eat (dried shrimp, live shrimp, snail, frozen shrimp, frozen artemia, and worm). Sometimes I knead garlic and mix with artemia. I changed at the beginning about 50% of water weekly, but now 25% of water change every 7 to 10 days. Use just a water conditioner and that the Prime (Seachem) and Alkali (Labcon) to raise the ph and of course sea salt.
4) I do not have made change in my aquarium. In it I have a natural wood (for own aquarium) and marine stones that raise ph
5) My aquarium is already mounted about 10 months. Was properly cycled for 40 days with no fish, but with fresh water and only a little time with F8 I added sea salt.
So to add, always was very careful with my aquarium and never died no fish in it, the only ones were the F8
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Re: Sick Figure 8 Save-ME
How large is the aquarium?
Please read how to properly cycle a tank: library/water-filtration/fishless-cycling/
Please read how to properly cycle a tank: library/water-filtration/fishless-cycling/
You are getting sleepy... you only hear the sound of my voice... you must do water changes... water changes... water changes... water changes...
"The solution to pollution is dilution!"
"The solution to pollution is dilution!"
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Re: Sick Figure 8 Save-ME
I had already read and did the cycling process correctly, do not believe in my aquarium contains something harmful because my fish are very saldaveis some F8 I bought came with bites and soon recovered fins in my aquarium. My aquarium is 200 liters.