P.S. this site really doeskick buttocks for the members knowledge of puffers and general topic info. Thanks again from a new puffer owner.
melafix and primafix
Forum rules
Read this before posting!!
Since this board has been up, we have found there are several questions that routinely get asked in order to help diagnose problems. If you can have that information to begin with in your post, we'll be able to help right away (if we can!) without having to wait for you to post the info we need.
1) Your water parameters - pH, Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrates and salinity (if appropriate). This is by far the most important information you can provide! Do not answer this with "Fine" "Perfect" "ok", that tells us nothing. We need hard numbers.
2) Tank size and a list of ALL inhabitants. Include algae eaters, plecos, everything. We need to know what you have and how big the tank is.
3) Feeding, water change schedule and a list of all products you are using or have added to the tank (examples: Cycle, Amquel, salt, etc)
4) What changes you've made in the tank in the last week or so. Sometimes its the little things that make all the difference.
5) How long the aquarium has been set up, and how did you cycle it? If you don't know what cycling is read this: Fishless Cycling Article and familiarize yourself with all the information. Yes. All of it.
We want to help, and providing this information will go a LONG way to getting a diagnosis and hopeful cure that much faster.
While you wait for assistance:
One of the easiest and best ways to help your fish feel better is clean water! If you are already on a regular water change schedule (50% weekly is recommended) a good step to making your fish more comfortable while waiting for diagnosis/suggestions is to do a large water change immediately. Feel free to repeat daily or as often as you can, clean water is always a good thing! Use of Amquel or Prime as a dechlor may help with any ammonia or nitrite issues, and is highly recommended.
Note - if you do not normally do large water changes, doing a sudden, large water change could shock your fish by suddenly changing their established water chemistry. Clean water is still your first goal, so in this case, do several smaller (10%) water changes over the next day or two before starting any large ones.
Read this before posting!!
Since this board has been up, we have found there are several questions that routinely get asked in order to help diagnose problems. If you can have that information to begin with in your post, we'll be able to help right away (if we can!) without having to wait for you to post the info we need.
1) Your water parameters - pH, Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrates and salinity (if appropriate). This is by far the most important information you can provide! Do not answer this with "Fine" "Perfect" "ok", that tells us nothing. We need hard numbers.
2) Tank size and a list of ALL inhabitants. Include algae eaters, plecos, everything. We need to know what you have and how big the tank is.
3) Feeding, water change schedule and a list of all products you are using or have added to the tank (examples: Cycle, Amquel, salt, etc)
4) What changes you've made in the tank in the last week or so. Sometimes its the little things that make all the difference.
5) How long the aquarium has been set up, and how did you cycle it? If you don't know what cycling is read this: Fishless Cycling Article and familiarize yourself with all the information. Yes. All of it.
We want to help, and providing this information will go a LONG way to getting a diagnosis and hopeful cure that much faster.
While you wait for assistance:
One of the easiest and best ways to help your fish feel better is clean water! If you are already on a regular water change schedule (50% weekly is recommended) a good step to making your fish more comfortable while waiting for diagnosis/suggestions is to do a large water change immediately. Feel free to repeat daily or as often as you can, clean water is always a good thing! Use of Amquel or Prime as a dechlor may help with any ammonia or nitrite issues, and is highly recommended.
Note - if you do not normally do large water changes, doing a sudden, large water change could shock your fish by suddenly changing their established water chemistry. Clean water is still your first goal, so in this case, do several smaller (10%) water changes over the next day or two before starting any large ones.
melafix and primafix
What are melafix and prima fix specifically designed to cure? I've seen post after post that promote them as great alixers for the fishes ailments, but I don't know which one is better for which diseases. Can someone post a link that expalins or give me the short and low. Thanks
P.S. this site really doeskick buttocks for the members knowledge of puffers and general topic info. Thanks again from a new puffer owner.
P.S. this site really doeskick buttocks for the members knowledge of puffers and general topic info. Thanks again from a new puffer owner.
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Bred
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Uh oh - I'm about to knock the hornet's nest!
Melafix is supposedly an anti-bacterial, used to treat bacterial infections. IME, it is completely ineffective against bacterial infections such as cotton-mouth disease (columnaris). A disease like that needs a strong antibiotic.
Melafix DOES aid in the regrowth of tissue in cases of damaged fins or bites. But it merely accelerates the natural healing process and may or may not prevent secondary bacterial infections.
Melafix is often recommended on this board as a "band-aid", to protect wounded fish from contracting disease. In actual cases of bacterial infection, I would turn to salt treatments or 'real' medications.
Pimafix is supposedly effective against fungal diseases. I have no experience with it but I am just a little sceptical.
Melafix is supposedly an anti-bacterial, used to treat bacterial infections. IME, it is completely ineffective against bacterial infections such as cotton-mouth disease (columnaris). A disease like that needs a strong antibiotic.
Melafix DOES aid in the regrowth of tissue in cases of damaged fins or bites. But it merely accelerates the natural healing process and may or may not prevent secondary bacterial infections.
Melafix is often recommended on this board as a "band-aid", to protect wounded fish from contracting disease. In actual cases of bacterial infection, I would turn to salt treatments or 'real' medications.
Pimafix is supposedly effective against fungal diseases. I have no experience with it but I am just a little sceptical.
MelaFix helps heal and cure disease and or wounds on a fish.
PimaFix is to help with fungal and bacteria infections.
PimaFix is to help with fungal and bacteria infections.
<80 gal> 2 GSPs & a Ceylon!
<75 gal> 3 Figure 8s & 1 Butterlfy Goby
<75 gal> *Empty*
<55 gal> 3 Gymnothorax polyuranodon (FW eel)
<30 long> Pair of Lorteti's & Irrubesco's, 1 DP, Endlers Livebearers, Clown Pleco, Royal Pleco, 2 Bumblebee Cats
<20 long> 4 Flounders
<4 gal> 2 Sparkling Gouramis & 3 ottos heavily planted
~Tihsho~
<75 gal> 3 Figure 8s & 1 Butterlfy Goby
<75 gal> *Empty*
<55 gal> 3 Gymnothorax polyuranodon (FW eel)
<30 long> Pair of Lorteti's & Irrubesco's, 1 DP, Endlers Livebearers, Clown Pleco, Royal Pleco, 2 Bumblebee Cats
<20 long> 4 Flounders
<4 gal> 2 Sparkling Gouramis & 3 ottos heavily planted
~Tihsho~
Bred, c'mon man you mixed em up! Your describing PimaFix! Lol.bred wrote:Uh oh - I'm about to knock the hornet's nest!
Melafix is supposedly an anti-bacterial, used to treat bacterial infections. IME, it is completely ineffective against bacterial infections such as cotton-mouth disease (columnaris). A disease like that needs a strong antibiotic.
Melafix DOES aid in the regrowth of tissue in cases of damaged fins or bites. But it merely accelerates the natural healing process and may or may not prevent secondary bacterial infections.
Melafix is often recommended on this board as a "band-aid", to protect wounded fish from contracting disease. In actual cases of bacterial infection, I would turn to salt treatments or 'real' medications.
Pimafix is supposedly effective against fungal diseases. I have no experience with it but I am just a little sceptical.
<80 gal> 2 GSPs & a Ceylon!
<75 gal> 3 Figure 8s & 1 Butterlfy Goby
<75 gal> *Empty*
<55 gal> 3 Gymnothorax polyuranodon (FW eel)
<30 long> Pair of Lorteti's & Irrubesco's, 1 DP, Endlers Livebearers, Clown Pleco, Royal Pleco, 2 Bumblebee Cats
<20 long> 4 Flounders
<4 gal> 2 Sparkling Gouramis & 3 ottos heavily planted
~Tihsho~
<75 gal> 3 Figure 8s & 1 Butterlfy Goby
<75 gal> *Empty*
<55 gal> 3 Gymnothorax polyuranodon (FW eel)
<30 long> Pair of Lorteti's & Irrubesco's, 1 DP, Endlers Livebearers, Clown Pleco, Royal Pleco, 2 Bumblebee Cats
<20 long> 4 Flounders
<4 gal> 2 Sparkling Gouramis & 3 ottos heavily planted
~Tihsho~
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Pufferpunk
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Punkster, the 4" red T miurus
Mongo, the 4" A modestus
2 T biocellatus
C valentini
C coranata
C papuan
Also kept:
lorteti
DPs
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Bred
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Nope, I didn't. Although here is some overlap in the stated purposes of these products. "Mystique" is not what I'm looking for when I need to find a cure. The literature surrounding these products is very fuzzy.Bred, c'mon man you mixed em up! Your describing PimaFix! Lol.
I can know exactly how antibiotics work, what they are effective against, correct dosages, etc. Mela and Pima are shrouded in obscurity. They have no value for me--but this is a personal choice type thing.
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Pufferpunk
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- Joined: Tue May 31, 2005 11:06 am
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- My Puffers: Filbert, the 12" T lineatus
Punkster, the 4" red T miurus
Mongo, the 4" A modestus
2 T biocellatus
C valentini
C coranata
C papuan
Also kept:
lorteti
DPs
suvattii
burrfish
T niphobles - Location (country): USA, Greenville, SC
- Location: Chicago
- Contact:
I would much rather start off treating a mild issue with an all-natural med that can be introduced right into my main tank, then having to QT & use heavy antibiotics on an already weakened fish.
You are getting sleepy... you only hear the sound of my voice... you must do water changes... water changes... water changes... water changes...
"The solution to pollution is dilution!"
"The solution to pollution is dilution!"
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Pufferpunk
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- Posts: 32773
- Joined: Tue May 31, 2005 11:06 am
- Gender: Female
- My Puffers: Filbert, the 12" T lineatus
Punkster, the 4" red T miurus
Mongo, the 4" A modestus
2 T biocellatus
C valentini
C coranata
C papuan
Also kept:
lorteti
DPs
suvattii
burrfish
T niphobles - Location (country): USA, Greenville, SC
- Location: Chicago
- Contact:
Yes, Mela/Pimafix is not for severe cases but can prevent most mild issues from becoming worse. It will also help to use in conjunction with more powerful antibiots, if the case is severe.
You are getting sleepy... you only hear the sound of my voice... you must do water changes... water changes... water changes... water changes...
"The solution to pollution is dilution!"
"The solution to pollution is dilution!"
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Bred
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Neither will kill Ich. See the stickie at the top of the forum for treating ich.
Columnaris aka body fungus aka mouth fungus aka black mollie disease is in fact not a fungus, but a bacteria. If your fish has it - and I can't really say till I see some close ups - then you will need stronger meds than Mela/Pima.
Columnaris aka body fungus aka mouth fungus aka black mollie disease is in fact not a fungus, but a bacteria. If your fish has it - and I can't really say till I see some close ups - then you will need stronger meds than Mela/Pima.
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Pufferpunk
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- Posts: 32773
- Joined: Tue May 31, 2005 11:06 am
- Gender: Female
- My Puffers: Filbert, the 12" T lineatus
Punkster, the 4" red T miurus
Mongo, the 4" A modestus
2 T biocellatus
C valentini
C coranata
C papuan
Also kept:
lorteti
DPs
suvattii
burrfish
T niphobles - Location (country): USA, Greenville, SC
- Location: Chicago
- Contact:
Sorry bred, I guess I was mistaken. But I was reading it straight off the bottle!
Ok well for ich infestations I was thining about putting a diatom filter in my QT tank. Would it be worth the investment?
Ok well for ich infestations I was thining about putting a diatom filter in my QT tank. Would it be worth the investment?
<80 gal> 2 GSPs & a Ceylon!
<75 gal> 3 Figure 8s & 1 Butterlfy Goby
<75 gal> *Empty*
<55 gal> 3 Gymnothorax polyuranodon (FW eel)
<30 long> Pair of Lorteti's & Irrubesco's, 1 DP, Endlers Livebearers, Clown Pleco, Royal Pleco, 2 Bumblebee Cats
<20 long> 4 Flounders
<4 gal> 2 Sparkling Gouramis & 3 ottos heavily planted
~Tihsho~
<75 gal> 3 Figure 8s & 1 Butterlfy Goby
<75 gal> *Empty*
<55 gal> 3 Gymnothorax polyuranodon (FW eel)
<30 long> Pair of Lorteti's & Irrubesco's, 1 DP, Endlers Livebearers, Clown Pleco, Royal Pleco, 2 Bumblebee Cats
<20 long> 4 Flounders
<4 gal> 2 Sparkling Gouramis & 3 ottos heavily planted
~Tihsho~
I ahve the earlier post which I said I would get the specifics for the water and a pic for you to look a bit closer at (once off work). Im still at work took the doubble twelve shift so havent been home in 29 going on 24 hours but will get that posted. My bro said puff is still alive so i feel a bit better and also said the grey film is mostly gone or all gone but a very greyish discolouration continues to be on the puff. So from the info I have (believing he does have ich) will the ich kill or seriously mame or slow him. and the greyish film/discolouration; temp 78, new tank change today 9am, ph 12, nitrates and niatrates unsure till i get home. Any new thoughts yet?