Puffers don't eat. Strange movement with the teeths

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Puffers don't eat. Strange movement with the teeths

Post by Frein » Mon Dec 04, 2017 8:09 pm

Hi guys. This is mi first post and I am new with puffers :D

I bought 2 weeks ago 2 carinotetraodon travancoricus. They are alone on 80 liters acuarium. I was feeding they with bloodworms but now they doesn't eat. When they are near worm or snail they do an strange movement with the teeths.

Last water change was last saturday around 20% of aquarium.

Parameters:
PH 7
GH 9

What can I do?

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Re: Puffers don't eat. Strange movement with the teeths

Post by Pufferpunk » Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:56 pm

[welcome]
What do you mean, "strange movement"?
LIVE bloodworms?
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Re: Puffers don't eat. Strange movement with the teeths

Post by Frein » Tue Dec 05, 2017 7:43 am

Hi Pufferpunk and thanks for reply :D

I mean frozen blood worms. The strange movement it's like they show their teeths when they are near blood worm. I found some people doing odontology to their puffers but my puffers has 3 cm more or less.

Could it be they has the teeths too big?

How can I know if they have the teeth too big?

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Re: Puffers don't eat. Strange movement with the teeths

Post by Pufferpunk » Tue Dec 05, 2017 6:13 pm

DPs don't have dentistry issues, like other species.
You are getting sleepy... you only hear the sound of my voice... you must do water changes... water changes... water changes... water changes...

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Re: Puffers don't eat. Strange movement with the teeths

Post by Frein » Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:50 pm

Mmm I see. Maybe it's not DPs. The store where I bought the puffers doesn't know a lot of they...
This is my little puffer.

Image


I put image link too because I am new and in preview doesn't show image.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jW-XgK ... esslm/view

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Re: Puffers don't eat. Strange movement with the teeths

Post by Pufferpunk » Thu Dec 07, 2017 6:29 pm

That is a Ceylon (T fluviatilis). Same care as the SGP, but requires lager tank.
library/puffers-in-focus/an-introductio ... d-puffers/
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Re: Puffers don't eat. Strange movement with the teeths

Post by Frein » Thu Dec 07, 2017 8:12 pm

Hi Pufferpunk,

I have 3 questions after read your blog:
  • Gonna be better if I put they with saltwater. But I don't have experience with saltwater. Do I need skimmer?
  • Like your blog said: Like rabbits, their teeth grow constantly and can overgrow enough to cause starvation in the fish. If they can't have odontology. How could i help they? Maybe this specie it's diferent
  • I have one litle aquarium 8 liters. I want to breed my own snails. It's too small or it's okay?
Thanks for all Pufferpunk.

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Re: Puffers don't eat. Strange movement with the teeths

Post by Pufferpunk » Thu Dec 07, 2017 9:16 pm

Sorry, I should have been more clear. Dwarf puffers don't need dentistry. Most others (including the species you have pictured here) do, if not fed proper crunchy foods. It also looks a bit thin.
library/feeding/feeding-your-puffers/
library/feeding/problems-feeding-your-puffer/
library/hospital/dentistry/
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Re: Puffers don't eat. Strange movement with the teeths

Post by Frein » Thu Dec 07, 2017 10:10 pm

Hi Pufferpunk and thanks for the links,

I think the problem it's on the store and the first 2 days they were feed only with blood worms. But like you said on the blog if it's too weak due starvation–it may not recover! Gonna be better to do odontology as fast as posible or he is too weak? Is it other option to recover him without odontology and when they are strong do odontology?

Thanks Pufferpunk.

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Re: Puffers don't eat. Strange movement with the teeths

Post by Pufferpunk » Thu Dec 07, 2017 10:34 pm

Can you show me the teeth?
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Re: Puffers don't eat. Strange movement with the teeths

Post by Frein » Fri Dec 08, 2017 9:01 pm

Hi PufferPunk. I don't know how to show their teeths without stress him. So I waited and when I moved the bloodworm he try eat but he doesn't eat anything.

Sorry for the pictures. This is the best resolucion and more clear I get.

Image Teeth:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1PPsepY ... sqcLU/view

GIF:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1VIrieY ... Ad2c7/view

At least tries to eat and is bigger than the other. The other doesn't tries to eat.

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Re: Puffers don't eat. Strange movement with the teeths

Post by Pufferpunk » Sat Dec 09, 2017 10:52 am

Yes, his mouth does seem to look propped open from the long teeth. I do think dentistry is in order here.
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Re: Puffers don't eat. Strange movement with the teeths

Post by Frein » Sat Dec 09, 2017 4:12 pm

Ok, then I have clave oil and all ready. I have seen a lot of videos trimming and read your article three or more times. One of them it's too weak. I guess I gonna lost him...

I am gonna contact after trimming it's ended. Any other thing before trim?

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Re: Puffers don't eat. Strange movement with the teeths

Post by Pufferpunk » Mon Dec 11, 2017 2:44 pm

You can try trimming underwater w/o CO.
You are getting sleepy... you only hear the sound of my voice... you must do water changes... water changes... water changes... water changes...

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