Slim GSP Potential Internal Parasite & Ick identification - need help

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Slim GSP Potential Internal Parasite & Ick identification - need help

Post by lincolnjyc » Mon Nov 13, 2017 3:20 am

Hi friends!

I'm so excited to find this forum with many useful information.

However, after reading some articles, I still cannot define why my GSP is so slim. It's about 1.5'' long, acting healthy, staying at my side all day long, sometimes rubbing the glass of my side.

I got it from LFS which kept fish in slightly brackish water. Also its tankmates.

I'll put photos...

1. Does it have internal parasite?
It looks slim when hungry, especially when bending his tail (starved for only 1 day), but not quite slim after eating.

I'm using API general cure for IP treatment, poured in water as in direction but I learnt FW fish don't drink... So I soaked some bloodworm in a small cup for 15mins and gave them the 1st medicine meal.

2. His belly turns slightly black sometimes, but sometimes his belly stays white after I turned on the light to check (maybe due to lighting), how fast can they turn their belly color? Is it unhappy or hunting or something?

3. I noticed that it has only 1 white spot on his lower back fin, is it possible ick? The spot stayed there for about 1 week, no spreading sign.

4. Experienced friends, does it look healthy or not?

Feeding schedule: once a day with mainly frozen blood worm, 1-2 days with frozen Mysis shrimp, snail tank still breeding, going to feed snail in a regular basis after a month. Fed till belly slightly round.

Tank: I have a fully cycled, 20g tank for one and a half month. Started with dead shrimps, flakes and live bacteria. I bought my GSP for a month. -Put him in when the tank is half cycled, but all indicators were fine. No ammonia presented.

Tankmate: 5 "feeding" guppies, my puffer chased them for one night and gave up. They're living peacefully now, no chasing or bullying.

Decor: Rocks, 1 grape wood (used to have some white fuzzy fungi on it, but gone, some may left in filter tube)
No plants because changing to brackish/SW will kill my plants.

Water change: Once a week about 15-20% (3-5gal)
My tap water contains chloramine, which is a combination of chlorine and ammonia. I don't want to change too much water if my NO3 keeps low. If i do 50%, I think I may risk both damaging my nitrifying system & adding more ammonia in my tank.

Ammonia: 0
Nitrite: 0
Nitrate: between 0-20
pH: Between 7.4-7.6 (API low range pH kit shows 7.6 but high range pH kit shows 7.4)
Salinity: 1.005, raising 0.002 every week.

Thanks for your time! Please tell me if you need more information.

Before feeding: (those white dots are dirty things on my glass, also some API general treatment powder floating in water)
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After feeding: (White spot visible from the right)
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Tank:
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Re: Slim GSP Potential Internal Parasite & Ick identification - need help

Post by Pufferpunk » Mon Nov 13, 2017 2:11 pm

[welcome]
Yup, it does look like IP, especially since you feed him so well. What does his poop look like?
I would soak ALL his food in Jungle fizzy parasite tabs. You can break them into 1/4, since it won't be a lot of food involved for 1 fish.
Nice decor! Not sure how that wood will hold up with salt though.
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Re: Slim GSP Potential Internal Parasite & Ick identification - need help

Post by lincolnjyc » Mon Nov 13, 2017 11:48 pm

Hi Pufferpunk,

Thanks for the detailed answer!

I have read the articles you posted.

I never saw him poop, but there are round big little dots which I think are his poops....and he poop out quite fast after eating.

I saw all the people recommending jungle fizz parasite tabs, but I checked their website and found nothing about parasite treatment.
http://www.junglelabs.com/Products.aspx

Some 3rd party website mentioned these product "discontinued".

Where can people still get it? Or is it any other famous effective products?

I live in San Francisco, I got access to Petco, Petsmart and some LFS. Most of them only have API general cure for IP. But I can also buy online, just don't know which one is effective for puffers.

Thank you!

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Re: Slim GSP Potential Internal Parasite & Ick identification - need help

Post by lincolnjyc » Mon Nov 13, 2017 11:51 pm

I'm just a bit worried getting those chemical product directly. I have no experience buying chemical products here, so medicine designed for fish maybe better for me....

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Re: Slim GSP Potential Internal Parasite & Ick identification - need help

Post by Pufferpunk » Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:16 am

I read what the General Cure was for & it only lists external parasites. I wasn't aware the Jungle product was discontinued. Try buying Prazipro for IPs. I buy almost everything online.
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Re: Slim GSP Potential Internal Parasite & Ick identification - need help

Post by lincolnjyc » Tue Nov 14, 2017 1:20 am

Thank you! I'll try using Prazipro and treat it as soon as i can.

http://www.tropicalfishkeeping.com/trop ... ge-446954/
I also saw an interesting post about different medicine on different types of worm. I'm wondering if I should also get Fenbendazole. It's interesting that all these medicine actually only paralyzed the worms...

I'll keep posted and see how my treatment go, thanks!

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Re: Slim GSP Potential Internal Parasite & Ick identification - need help

Post by Pufferpunk » Tue Nov 14, 2017 10:00 am

Yes, Prazi may not eradicate every species of worm but it's a great med to try 1st.
That Jungle product has Prazi & Metro, which pretty much covers all bases.
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Re: Slim GSP Potential Internal Parasite & Ick identification - need help

Post by lincolnjyc » Mon Nov 20, 2017 3:03 am

Update - 3 days after treatment.

Puffer still looks "slim". His rear belly always stays black (unhappy for IP?), but when I turns the lights on/feeding them, his belly turns white for a while.

3 Days treatment:
Day 1: prazipro mixed mysis shrimps. Puffer seems didn't like it well. Spit most of it after swallowing....

Day 2-3:
Seachem Aquarium Water Treatment Set - MetroPlex & Focus mixed in mysis shrimps. Garlic Guard also mixed for enhanced taste...
Prazipro dripped in tank.

On day 2, he lied on the sand for whole night after eating his medicated food, breathing heavily.

Day 3: just fed him, snapped some photo and see how it goes.

I also noticed his weird reaction: after waking up, he quickly sucked in some water (slightly puffed up) and spit out the water quickly. Is it because of IP and uncomfortable gill?

How long does it take for a puffer to get rid of IP with meds (they poop them out???)

Thanks!
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