Page 2 of 3

Re: POTM October 2012 - vote now!

Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 12:19 am
by JRC3
I voted #1 because that is one healthy looking SAP, though the pic quality is kinda rough. But 4 and 5 are great in their own ways.

Re: POTM October 2012 - vote now!

Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 1:32 am
by sgtmyers88
Yeah wasnt that a resubmission from last month? I forgot we could do that.

Re: POTM October 2012 - vote now!

Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 1:48 am
by defool89
Next potm I'm going to give my puff some lipstick and maybe some lingerie

Re: POTM October 2012 - vote now!

Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 2:35 am
by Tim
defool89 wrote:Next potm I'm going to give my puff some lipstick and maybe some lingerie
:mwave:

Re: POTM October 2012 - vote now!

Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 5:31 am
by scpion
defool89 wrote:Next potm I'm going to give my puff some lipstick and maybe some lingerie
Hey! I would vote for any puff in a lingerie!!

Re: POTM October 2012 - vote now!

Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 7:36 am
by RTR
I think that i will have to save my pennies to hire a photographer to take shots proving to folks that the reflection they see in shot #2 is an optical illusion and the fish does not see that. I've only explained that dozens of times...

Re: POTM October 2012 - vote now!

Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 8:00 am
by bertie 83
And I have seen for myself lol.jrc3 that's my little one lol.

Re: POTM October 2012 - vote now!

Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 9:16 am
by scpion
Very often when someone asked a question about having substrate or bare bottom tank, its always highly recommended to have substrate and other than the tons of beneficial micro organism, one of the common reason given was that the puffer will feel insecure or intimated because they will "see another puffer" below. If there is no reflect or even faint one on the sides, whats makes it so different on the bottom, why was this suggestion almost never questioned or corrected?

Sorry.. Bertie, I remembered u sacrificed your head and even got your eye poke the last time.. but, I also did a small video recorded experiment and proved otherwise. Hmm.. I just can't stop b**ching abt this topic...

Re: POTM October 2012 - vote now!

Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 12:30 pm
by G S P Freak
RTR wrote:I think that i will have to save my pennies to hire a photographer to take shots proving to folks that the reflection they see in shot #2 is an optical illusion and the fish does not see that. I've only explained that dozens of times...
Wow, calm down. It's just a funny little caption, I don't believe that the puffer recognizes his reflection as another fish at all, it's a quip made purely for entertainment purposes. I don't see the point in belittling someone for this, I'm not an idiot, and I can't believe I'm seeing this from someone who supposedly disproves of such attacks. And I honestly count whether a fish can see his reflection or not very low on my to-know list for puffers...

Re: POTM October 2012 - vote now!

Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 10:13 pm
by scpion
G S P Freak wrote:
RTR wrote:I think that i will have to save my pennies to hire a photographer to take shots proving to folks that the reflection they see in shot #2 is an optical illusion and the fish does not see that. I've only explained that dozens of times...
Wow, calm down. It's just a funny little caption, I don't believe that the puffer recognizes his reflection as another fish at all, it's a quip made purely for entertainment purposes. I don't see the point in belittling someone for this, I'm not an idiot, and I can't believe I'm seeing this from someone who supposedly disproves of such attacks. And I honestly count whether a fish can see his reflection or not very low on my to-know list for puffers...
Whoa.. u are taking it too seriously.. I am very certain RTR didn't intend it as anything personal whatsoever..

Re: POTM October 2012 - vote now!

Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 10:46 pm
by G S P Freak
I apologize if I have in fact over-reacted, but the last sentence sounded particularly condescending to me...

Anyways, enough of that, I don't know why I bothered replying. I really don't feel like stirring up any trouble... just ignore me :?

Re: POTM October 2012 - vote now!

Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2012 6:26 am
by bertie 83
Rtr can come across as blunt, he just gets to the point without waffling. He certainly would not attack you lol.

Re: POTM October 2012 - vote now!

Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2012 8:03 am
by RTR
Sorry if I stepped on toes! I really did not mean to attack or upset anyone. But that explanation of the phantom reflections is one of the commonest tank myths.

There is light reflection from bare bottom glasses, and/or shadows from the fish which can startle or spook them. Some bottom covering for me makes the fish much more normal in behavior. Only pelagic or ultra-deep FW fish see no bottom. Most of our hobby fish definitely see the bottom of their world and may see shadows but underwater bottom reflections have to be rare in the wild but universal in substrate-free tanks.

If I do a blurb on side-glass reflections, will Dadof4 shoot me? Diagrams and photos? Can the library take that?

Re: POTM October 2012 - vote now!

Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2012 9:29 am
by defool89
Rtr please post anything that youd like please. I'm interested in somethig that might get you shot. Lol

Re: POTM October 2012 - vote now!

Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2012 10:02 am
by G S P Freak
RTR wrote:Sorry if I stepped on toes! I really did not mean to attack or upset anyone. But that explanation of the phantom reflections is one of the commonest tank myths.

There is light reflection from bare bottom glasses, and/or shadows from the fish which can startle or spook them. Some bottom covering for me makes the fish much more normal in behavior. Only pelagic or ultra-deep FW fish see no bottom. Most of our hobby fish definitely see the bottom of their world and may see shadows but underwater bottom reflections have to be rare in the wild but universal in substrate-free tanks.

If I do a blurb on side-glass reflections, will Dadof4 shoot me? Diagrams and photos? Can the library take that?
No, I'm sorry. I've reacted badly, I didn't know that you were having some vendetta with this aquarium myth :lol:. I apologize for over-reacting, I took it way too personal as already stated. I seem to have a problem with blowing things out of proportion, or misinterpreting... I really need to work on that lol. Idk why I thought like this, I guess I was having a bad day... Anyways I hope we can forget about this, I'm already feeling embarrassed for what I've started up, everyone here is so nice and helpful, thanks everyone.