For those who can not find Finquel

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1) Your water parameters - pH, Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrates and salinity (if appropriate). This is by far the most important information you can provide! Do not answer this with "Fine" "Perfect" "ok", that tells us nothing. We need hard numbers.

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One of the easiest and best ways to help your fish feel better is clean water! If you are already on a regular water change schedule (50% weekly is recommended) a good step to making your fish more comfortable while waiting for diagnosis/suggestions is to do a large water change immediately. Feel free to repeat daily or as often as you can, clean water is always a good thing! Use of Amquel or Prime as a dechlor may help with any ammonia or nitrite issues, and is highly recommended.

Note - if you do not normally do large water changes, doing a sudden, large water change could shock your fish by suddenly changing their established water chemistry. Clean water is still your first goal, so in this case, do several smaller (10%) water changes over the next day or two before starting any large ones.

For those who can not find Finquel

Postby Myaj on Thu Nov 06, 2008 12:59 pm

I was thinking about this last night, and thought I'd put a little notice up here in the Hospital forum that may help those of you outside the US who can not get their hands on Finquel or Tranquil brand fish tranquilizers. (At the time I write this, Finquel is available here: http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/p ... atid=12271)

These products are simply a name brand distribution of a laboratory chemical, tricaine methanesulfonate, also referred to as MS-222. This is a common chemical used in veterinary work with fish and reptiles, or on fish breeding farms (for food or ornamental).

**Also note, the spelling of the name brand is Finquel.. not Finquil. I make this mistake quite often and therefore can not find it when I am doing a search**

The chemical may be sold under a different brand name, or simply not available to the general public via fish stores the way it is in the US (and even here, we can have a heck of a time finding it, it is often on backorder).

You may have better luck contacting local veterinarians, especially those who practice in "exotic" animals, or search out fish breeding farms. The fish farms might not be able to sell you the product, depending on how it is regulated, but they may be able to help you find a source for it. I believe a veterinarian would be able to find the product for you, however you would have to discuss it with them to see if they would be able to sell it to you or if it is only usable under veterinarian supervision.

Ask for the chemical name, tricaine methanesulfonate or MS-222, not "Finquel", as they are not likely to have the specific brand name.

I hope this helps some of you who are having difficulty finding a more safe option for tranquilizing your fish than clove oil, as we are hearing more and more accounts of diminished health and even death of the fish after sedation with clove oil.
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Re: For those who can not find Finquel

Postby Pufferpunk on Thu Nov 06, 2008 10:01 pm

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Re: For those who can not find Finquel

Postby infopimp on Sat Nov 15, 2008 5:10 pm

DFS is backordered... Other sources?

Anyone? Beuller? Beuller? :)
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Re: For those who can not find Finquel

Postby Pufferpunk on Sat Nov 15, 2008 5:27 pm

You are getting sleepy... you only hear the sound of my voice... you must do water changes... water changes... water changes... water changes...

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Re: For those who can not find Finquel

Postby ryverrat on Sat Dec 06, 2008 10:32 pm

Thanks Pufferpunk- I have checked Drs Fosters a couple times and they list Finquel as out of stock. With 5 SAPs I need to do dentistry kinda often (despite snails in the tank they eat).
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Re: For those who can not find Finquel

Postby Pufferpunk on Sun Dec 07, 2008 2:25 am

I did a search for Finquel & found all sorts of places selling it.
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Re: For those who can not find Finquel

Postby OkieMavis on Thu Jan 29, 2009 3:56 pm

Most good LFS's should be able to order it for you as well. I don't see many places that stock it, but most will be happy to do a special order.
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Re: For those who can not find Finquel

Postby ReefYeti on Thu Dec 08, 2011 6:58 pm

Try also searching for Tricane-S & MS-222.
I got mine from a pond supply store.
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Re: For those who can not find Finquel

Postby Puffer King on Thu Dec 08, 2011 8:18 pm

can't seem to get it over here ......so its clove oil i use
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Re: For those who can not find Finquel

Postby Pufferpunk on Thu Dec 08, 2011 10:11 pm

Clove oil stops their respiration, which will eventually cause brain damage. there are other drugs folks in the UK are using. Something used for goldfish, I believe.
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Re: For those who can not find Finquel

Postby Pufferpunk on Thu Dec 08, 2011 10:11 pm

Clove oil stops their respiration, which will eventually cause brain damage. There are other drugs folks in the UK are using. Something used for goldfish, I believe.
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Re: For those who can not find Finquel

Postby ReefYeti on Fri Dec 09, 2011 2:38 am

MS-222, Finquel, Tricane-S is only available to Vet's in the UK, and they have to be the one's to administer it to the fish, so I dont think you'll have much luck getting a take-home supply.
Look for Koi sedatives like Kusuri Masuizai Koi Sedate, for legal reasons they are marked as sedatives, but they have much the same effect.

Have you tried feeding your puff fresh cockles to keep their teeth worn down?
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Re: For those who can not find Finquel

Postby Pufferpunk on Fri Dec 09, 2011 3:14 am

That's the one!
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Re: For those who can not find Finquel

Postby Pufferpunk on Fri Dec 09, 2011 3:24 am

infopimp wrote:DFS is backordered... Other sources?

Anyone? Beuller? Beuller? :)

http://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=ch ... 80&bih=675
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Re: For those who can not find Finquel

Postby Puffer King on Fri Dec 09, 2011 6:59 am

i have heard someone mention that koi sedative before somewhere , think i'll try to obtain some of that for next time i have to trim my saps teeth .....the uk seems to be a lot stricter than the us , when it comes to meds for some reason . Cheers :)
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