Help! New puffer behaving abnormally :(

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Shiggity
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Help! New puffer behaving abnormally :(

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I'm new to puffers, though have had aquariums for six years now, but I am at a loss right now. I purchased my first figure 8 puffer about three weeks ago (I love them and have been so eager to have one). He is the only one in a 20gal (long) tank that I allowed two weeks to cycle before getting him. Things seemed to be going really well initially, but after my first tank cleaning last week (25-30%) he seemed to be a bit tentative/slightly shyer. Also, the day after the first water change I went to feed him his breakfast, which he greeted me normally, but as I tried to squeeze the worms out of the dropper, they got jammed in the tip and suddenly came out in an abrupt cloud, scaring my little guy and sending him to his favorite hide for a moment. He's still been eating regularly, but seems to be intimidated by the dropper (or could I be misinterpreting..) Anyhow, this is the main reason I am truly concerned now: After two weeks with the same aquatic set up, I noticed he would pace sometimes in the back right corner of the tank, or occasionally goes to the opposite side of the tank and stares at my other fish tank (they are side by side, about a foot apart). So yesterday I performed his weekly water change and used the opportunity to move around the setup and add another plant and a new hide. Now he's spent most of the past 24hrs pacing up and down that same corner of the tank. He left the corner for a bit to hunt his breakfast this morning, but I'm getting rather worried at this point.. I've ran all the tests I have here (ph 7.8, ammonia 0ppm, nitrate 0ppm, nitrite 0ppm) and the temp has been stable at 76-78F. His belly is still nice and bright white, I can't see and gray lines.. Should I just come in with some water or am I prematurely freaking out? Sorry this is so long, I'm just really attached to the little guy already.. Thank you so much for your time and help!!!!
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Re: Help! New puffer behaving abnormally :(

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Please explain EXACTLY how you cycled this tank? You should be showing nitrate. What test kits are you using?
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Re: Help! New puffer behaving abnormally :(

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I used Stability by Seachem to cycle the tank for just over two weeks. I vacuum both fish tanks when I do a water change, so I usually don't see much for nitrates (the other tank is a 30gal, 4 mollies, 3 black phantom tetras, 1 bumblebee goby, and 6 Cory catfish that were born in the tank). I use the API Master Test Kit. I only go to a specialty store the caters only to freshwater-saltwater aquariums and these guys are really informed. They seemed convinced that my water was properly cycled and I brought them a water sample to test thoroughly before I brought my puffer home.
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Re: Help! New puffer behaving abnormally :(

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If you use a bacterial supplement, you MUST start feeding it immediately, or it starves & dies. This means either add fish or ammonia. Otherwise, it's a total waste to use.
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Re: Help! New puffer behaving abnormally :(

Post by Shiggity »

Sorry, I can try to be more specific. I set up the new tank using a few new plants/ornaments, but also using several plants and obstacles from my established 30gal to hopefully boost the cycle in the new tank. I also used the Stability as mentioned, which has the following instructions (I can't seem to upload photos): "Stability will rapidly and safely establish the aquarium biofilm we in freshwater and marine systems...formulated specifically for the aquarium and contains a synergistic blend of aerobic, anaerobic, and facultative bacteria which facilitate the breakdown of waste organics, ammonia, nitrite, and nitrate. The bacteria employed by Stability are non-sulfur fixing and will not produce toxic hydrogen sulfide..." Then the instructions say to turn off UV/ozone. Give initial treatment (5mL per 10gal) day one, then 7 days of 5mL to 20gal. It says fish and other aquatic species may be added at any time as long as the dosage is maintained for 7 days, but I opted instead to put a few flakes of food in every couple of days. The only other chemicals used in the tank have been API Stress Coat Plus (removes chlorine, chloramines, detoxifies heavy metals (we have well water, but a filter as well, I was want to be precautions), and/or Prime by Seachem. I hope that helps more!
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