Should i separate my dwarf puffers from other fish? The whole tank is ill, i have the ich and a fungal infection in it at the same time. (not sure right now maybe even something else) Most of my fish are droping dead one by one. I do not own another heater. And i really dont want to loose my puffers. pls help. I can only offer them another container with a second filter. Should i do it or should i leave them in the tank with the rest and the medication? They seem verry stressed and look at me worried. Almost every half an hour i loose one fish......
(my tank is 400L i have plecos, tetras, golden barbs and some alge eaters, pair of african cichlids and pair of convicts, used to have other chichlids but now their gone...) i m trying to fight this illnes for over 3 days, but no medicin seems to help. fish dont even float, they slowly loosing their control over bodies and then fall on the bottom.. i can not watch this anymore pls somebody help.... i had 30 fish.. and i just wish 3 would survive. (my little puffers) is there any chance to save them ? pls pls pls
Please help me save the last survivors of ITCH - URGENT!
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Since this board has been up, we have found there are several questions that routinely get asked in order to help diagnose problems. If you can have that information to begin with in your post, we'll be able to help right away (if we can!) without having to wait for you to post the info we need.
1) Your water parameters - pH, Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrates and salinity (if appropriate). This is by far the most important information you can provide! Do not answer this with "Fine" "Perfect" "ok", that tells us nothing. We need hard numbers.
2) Tank size and a list of ALL inhabitants. Include algae eaters, plecos, everything. We need to know what you have and how big the tank is.
3) Feeding, water change schedule and a list of all products you are using or have added to the tank (examples: Cycle, Amquel, salt, etc)
4) What changes you've made in the tank in the last week or so. Sometimes its the little things that make all the difference.
5) How long the aquarium has been set up, and how did you cycle it? If you don't know what cycling is read this: Fishless Cycling Article and familiarize yourself with all the information. Yes. All of it.
We want to help, and providing this information will go a LONG way to getting a diagnosis and hopeful cure that much faster.
While you wait for assistance:
One of the easiest and best ways to help your fish feel better is clean water! If you are already on a regular water change schedule (50% weekly is recommended) a good step to making your fish more comfortable while waiting for diagnosis/suggestions is to do a large water change immediately. Feel free to repeat daily or as often as you can, clean water is always a good thing! Use of Amquel or Prime as a dechlor may help with any ammonia or nitrite issues, and is highly recommended.
Note - if you do not normally do large water changes, doing a sudden, large water change could shock your fish by suddenly changing their established water chemistry. Clean water is still your first goal, so in this case, do several smaller (10%) water changes over the next day or two before starting any large ones.
Read this before posting!!
Since this board has been up, we have found there are several questions that routinely get asked in order to help diagnose problems. If you can have that information to begin with in your post, we'll be able to help right away (if we can!) without having to wait for you to post the info we need.
1) Your water parameters - pH, Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrates and salinity (if appropriate). This is by far the most important information you can provide! Do not answer this with "Fine" "Perfect" "ok", that tells us nothing. We need hard numbers.
2) Tank size and a list of ALL inhabitants. Include algae eaters, plecos, everything. We need to know what you have and how big the tank is.
3) Feeding, water change schedule and a list of all products you are using or have added to the tank (examples: Cycle, Amquel, salt, etc)
4) What changes you've made in the tank in the last week or so. Sometimes its the little things that make all the difference.
5) How long the aquarium has been set up, and how did you cycle it? If you don't know what cycling is read this: Fishless Cycling Article and familiarize yourself with all the information. Yes. All of it.
We want to help, and providing this information will go a LONG way to getting a diagnosis and hopeful cure that much faster.
While you wait for assistance:
One of the easiest and best ways to help your fish feel better is clean water! If you are already on a regular water change schedule (50% weekly is recommended) a good step to making your fish more comfortable while waiting for diagnosis/suggestions is to do a large water change immediately. Feel free to repeat daily or as often as you can, clean water is always a good thing! Use of Amquel or Prime as a dechlor may help with any ammonia or nitrite issues, and is highly recommended.
Note - if you do not normally do large water changes, doing a sudden, large water change could shock your fish by suddenly changing their established water chemistry. Clean water is still your first goal, so in this case, do several smaller (10%) water changes over the next day or two before starting any large ones.
Please help me save the last survivors of ITCH - URGENT!
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Pufferpunk
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Re: Should i separate my dwarf puffers from other fish?
Please answer ALL the questions above in red.
Ich meds are very likely to kill your puffers/plecos.
http://www.thepufferforum.com/forum/vie ... 25#p302725
Ich meds are very likely to kill your puffers/plecos.
http://www.thepufferforum.com/forum/vie ... 25#p302725
You are getting sleepy... you only hear the sound of my voice... you must do water changes... water changes... water changes... water changes...
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Re: Should i separate my dwarf puffers from other fish?
If it's not too late, you should separate your DPs from the tank. As long as you go buy a heater quickly, the DPs can survive in colder water for a short amount of time. Like Pufferpunk said, once the puffers are in a separate tank you can treat them with warm water. By the way, fish never float at the top when they die.
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Re: Should i separate my dwarf puffers from other fish?
not always, but they certainly canpufferjw wrote:If it's not too late, you should separate your DPs from the tank. As long as you go buy a heater quickly, the DPs can survive in colder water for a short amount of time. Like Pufferpunk said, once the puffers are in a separate tank you can treat them with warm water. By the way, fish never float at the top when they die.
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Re: Should i separate my dwarf puffers from other fish?
IM SORRY I PANICKED, before i got an answer i alreadly put my puffers, a pair of african chichlids, a pair of gourami, two small water snakes (6cm) and a golden algae eater in the other tank, i have them now with a seperate filter and 2 plants. The puffers look a bit better but are very dark colored, all 3 are swimming together and hiding in the plant, the males tail is very curled. These are the only survivors from 30+ fish.
I have just returned from the store and added a small dose of JBL Acclimol to calm them down. This seemed to work. The fish swim into it happily and are exhibiting less nervousness. After 30mins I also added two teaspoons of JBL Ektocristal salt, the fish didnt seem affected by this however the snake started moving erratically.
1) Water test from old infected tank: on test everything in "normal" range except KH (i am told the water here is always this hard):
pH: 6.8
KH: 13°d
GH: >14°d
NO2: 0 - in green
CI2: 0,2
2) Water test from "Treatment Tank" - The water was all new but I have added a JBL filterstart packet to the filter
pH: 7
KH: 13°d
GH: >14°d
NO2: 0 - in green
CI2: 2
BACKGROUND INFO CONCERNING THE PREVIOUS TANK WHERE THE OUTBREAK HAPPENED.
Before moving the survivors to the second tank, we had used JBL Punktol on a half dose as advised in the instructions starting 5 days ago. The tank was fully cycled and we had a utopian community for over a year. Water was changed 50% before each dose and the temperature raised by 2 degrees celsius to 29C. On day one and two it looked as if things were getting better, on day three individual fish started dying and some of them got fungal infections of their eyes and gills. I added a few drops of eSHa 2000 Ethacridinlactat and Copper based fungicide but this did not help, by the next day, the ICH was spreading and the other infection too. All the fish started hanging around the filter, surface and thermometer, stopped eating and then started dying one by one. When my figure8 puffer disintegrated before my eyes I decided to start emergency measures to save whoever I could and set up the treatment tank as described above.
Unfortunately, "Treatment Tank" is actually a nice way of saying that they are now in my bathtub with a thermometer and two filters....They are pretty weirded out cause its all white but I have boiled and put a few decorations in their and they are hiding in between the plastic plants. I was desperate to save anyone and this was the only other large volumed container I could put them in in a hurry.
I would love to save whoever I can. I would extremely appreciate any help or tips about how to keep these brave survivors alive and possibly how to make the old tank fit for the return of any surviving fish in as short a time as possible to reduce their stress.
Thanks a million!
I have just returned from the store and added a small dose of JBL Acclimol to calm them down. This seemed to work. The fish swim into it happily and are exhibiting less nervousness. After 30mins I also added two teaspoons of JBL Ektocristal salt, the fish didnt seem affected by this however the snake started moving erratically.
1) Water test from old infected tank: on test everything in "normal" range except KH (i am told the water here is always this hard):
pH: 6.8
KH: 13°d
GH: >14°d
NO2: 0 - in green
CI2: 0,2
2) Water test from "Treatment Tank" - The water was all new but I have added a JBL filterstart packet to the filter
pH: 7
KH: 13°d
GH: >14°d
NO2: 0 - in green
CI2: 2
BACKGROUND INFO CONCERNING THE PREVIOUS TANK WHERE THE OUTBREAK HAPPENED.
Before moving the survivors to the second tank, we had used JBL Punktol on a half dose as advised in the instructions starting 5 days ago. The tank was fully cycled and we had a utopian community for over a year. Water was changed 50% before each dose and the temperature raised by 2 degrees celsius to 29C. On day one and two it looked as if things were getting better, on day three individual fish started dying and some of them got fungal infections of their eyes and gills. I added a few drops of eSHa 2000 Ethacridinlactat and Copper based fungicide but this did not help, by the next day, the ICH was spreading and the other infection too. All the fish started hanging around the filter, surface and thermometer, stopped eating and then started dying one by one. When my figure8 puffer disintegrated before my eyes I decided to start emergency measures to save whoever I could and set up the treatment tank as described above.
Unfortunately, "Treatment Tank" is actually a nice way of saying that they are now in my bathtub with a thermometer and two filters....They are pretty weirded out cause its all white but I have boiled and put a few decorations in their and they are hiding in between the plastic plants. I was desperate to save anyone and this was the only other large volumed container I could put them in in a hurry.
I would love to save whoever I can. I would extremely appreciate any help or tips about how to keep these brave survivors alive and possibly how to make the old tank fit for the return of any surviving fish in as short a time as possible to reduce their stress.
Thanks a million!
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Pufferpunk
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Punkster, the 4" red T miurus
Mongo, the 4" A modestus
2 T biocellatus
C valentini
C coranata
C papuan
Also kept:
lorteti
DPs
suvattii
burrfish
T niphobles - Location (country): USA, Greenville, SC
- Location: Chicago
- Contact:
Re: Please help me save the last survivors of ITCH - URGENT!
I already sent you info on how to treat this. Please scroll up.
http://www.thepufferforum.com/forum/lib ... tal/fwich/
http://www.thepufferforum.com/forum/lib ... tal/fwich/
You are getting sleepy... you only hear the sound of my voice... you must do water changes... water changes... water changes... water changes...
"The solution to pollution is dilution!"
"The solution to pollution is dilution!"