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Re: Slow Growth Rate for Fahaka

Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:43 pm
by LilGreenPuffer
So then... parasites from the waste get into the water. Right?

Re: Slow Growth Rate for Fahaka

Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:09 am
by RTR
PP is correct.

IPs spread best (heaviest inoculation) from postmortem predation but also by waste eating by not-yet-infected fish grazing the wastes of infected fish which includes offspring or eggs of the parasite. Re-read the first paragraph of what I wrote yesterday that was quoted.

Re: Slow Growth Rate for Fahaka

Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 5:56 pm
by LilGreenPuffer
So why do we worry about transmitting parasites through the water? Should we not?

Re: Slow Growth Rate for Fahaka

Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 7:29 pm
by Puffer King
pathogenic bacteria

Re: Slow Growth Rate for Fahaka

Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:43 pm
by Terrance
I don't understand how some people report success deworming fish by dosing the water. Maybe these are unreliable results.

Re: Slow Growth Rate for Fahaka

Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 11:25 am
by RTR
To be honest, it is extremely difficult to be sure that destruction of gut parasites is complete without sacrificing the test subject - which defeats the point of treatment. We only know we have done it months later, when the critter has resumed normal growth rate.

Gut parasites tend to shed eggs/infectious sections constantly when mature. Other fish definitely investigate the waste o other fish, as few fish have appetite suppression when they are full - when food is abundant (standard in captivity if suitable foods are used), fish will continue eating so long as food is available, even if undigested food is being pushed out the other end. Investigating other fish's waste is actually and effective feeding practice in the wild. There it lack the density we have in captive systems. But it does increase to chance of parasite infestation. In the wild, if that gives the fish the extra nutrition need to reproduce sooner or lager numbers of eggs/sperm, they may increase theor numbers in the next generation even if they may die sooner from parasites. Survival goals in captivity are quite different drom those in the wild.

I'm sure all the old timers here remember well the first generations of commercially-bred DPs/ They were all infested w/gut parasites.

HTH

Re: Slow Growth Rate for Fahaka

Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2012 12:47 am
by Terrance
Today he ate more than usual of the medicated raw shrimp. His belly immediately turned into one nice round lump. Very encouraging :) Just a few more days of this stuff before he goes back to his regular diet.

Re: Slow Growth Rate for Fahaka

Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 11:48 pm
by Terrance
If I medicate his water, will it get absorbed into his waste? RTR you say the parasites travel through fish waste. If my puff eats his own waste for some odd reason, then will medicating the water help?

Its been over 2 weeks of medicating his food (yes he is eating them). I saw stringy poop yesterday! The string was clear with 1 white bump running long every 2-3mm. Maybe I should medicate for another week :( I still have a lot of Prazipro left. Maybe I should switch to Jungle once the bottle runs out and I still see the strings.

Re: Slow Growth Rate for Fahaka

Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 12:06 am
by puffykid
Prazipro only has 1 anti parasite medication ingredient -praziquantel

Jungle fizzy tabs has 2 anti parasite medication ingredients -Furazolidone and Nitrofurazone

The two active ingredients in jungle seems to be better ip killers then prazipro, it may be worth your time to pick some up. You can get it at walmart in the pet isle.

Re: Slow Growth Rate for Fahaka

Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 12:48 pm
by RTR
FW fish do not drink water. SW fish do. That means it is difficult to impossible to get enough med to be effective into FW fish, but it is easy in SW fish if the med has any stability in SW.

HTH